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Parents of Ben Buckley, born 1793, Saddleworth
« on: Monday 06 April 20 02:43 BST (UK) »
Iím trying to find the parents of Benjamin (Ben) Buckley who married Ann Mallilew (or Mallalieu) in 1816 at Rochdale St Chads. Both Ben and Ann signed with a X. One of their witnesses was Joseph Buckley. Very few people could write their name at this time (even if they could write, their writing was poor), yet Joseph Buckleyís signature is large, bold and confident, perhaps suggesting that Joseph was an older man or someone who was in the habit of writing regularly. Iíve spent hours looking through marriage records to see if I could match the signature but so far without success. Is there anywhere else I can look? If I can identify Joseph, that may well give me the key to who Benís parents were. Census and burial records suggest that Ben was born around 1793/4. The most likely parents are James and Ann Buckley who had two sons, Benn baptised 1793 and Joseph, baptised 1798. They lived at Cotemanheights, Saddleworth. Itís tempting to think Benís brother Joseph was the witness at Benís wedding. But Joseph was just 18 when Ben married, Ben couldnít sign his name (nor could James and Ann when they married) so I think itís unlikely that Benís younger brother could produce such a bold confident signature. While James and Ann are the most likely parents, so far I havenít been able to confirm it and my slight concern is that the name James doesnít appear anywhere else in my family tree, which otherwise tends to follow the traditional naming pattern.
Can anyone offer any suggestions on how I can be sure that James and Ann are Benís parents? I feel the key is Joseph Buckleyís signature, and tracking down who he is. Is anyone else following this family tree? Ben and Ann were licensees of the Temple and Bowling Green, Waterhead, prior to Ben's death in 1860.

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Re: Parents of Ben Buckley, born 1793, Saddleworth
« Reply #1 on: Monday 06 April 20 07:29 BST (UK) »
Did you look at marriages adjacent in the register to see if Joseph Buckley was a regular signatory/ church official?
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Re: Parents of Ben Buckley, born 1793, Saddleworth
« Reply #2 on: Monday 06 April 20 08:19 BST (UK) »
Yes, I did try that but Joseph is not a regular witness which leads me to think he was a relative of Ben. Thanks for the suggestion though and for taking the time to reply.


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Re: Parents of Ben Buckley, born 1793, Saddleworth
« Reply #3 on: Monday 06 April 20 08:47 BST (UK) »
is this a possibility ?

Baptism: 7 Jul 1793 West St Baptist, Wardleworth, Lancashire, England
Benjn. Buckley - Son of Joseph Buckley & Ann, his wife
    Born: 11 Apr 1793
    Abode: Shover Moor in the township of Oldham and parish of Prestwich in the County of Lancaster
    Registered By: Thos. Littlewood, Protestant Dissenting Minister

Wardleworth is in the Parish of Rochdale - where he also married
oakes,liverpool..neston..backford..poulton cum spittal(bebington)middlewich,cheshire......†† sacht,helgoland† .......merrick,herefordshire adams,shropshire...tipping..ellis..† jones,garston,liverpool..hartley.dunham massey..barker. salford

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Re: Parents of Ben Buckley, born 1793, Saddleworth
« Reply #4 on: Monday 06 April 20 08:51 BST (UK) »
you say a witness was Joseph Buckley - is it not Joshua Buckley ?

Marriage: 2 Sep 1816 St Chad, Rochdale, Lancashire, England
Ben Buckley - (X), this parish
Ann Mallilue - (X), this parish
    Witness: Daniel Nield, Parish Clerk; Josh. Buckley
    Married by Banns by: Thos. Drake D.D. Vicar .................................
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it looks like there were 3 brothers named Buckley baptising children in that Baptist church in Wardleworth
Joseph - John and James

Baptism: 7 Jul 1793 West St Baptist, Wardleworth, Lancashire, England
Benjn. Buckley - Son of Joseph Buckley & Ann, his wife
    Born: 11 Apr 1793
    Abode: Shover Moor in the township of Oldham and parish of Prestwich in the County of Lancaster
    Registered By: Thos. Littlewood, Protestant Dissenting Minister
    Register: Baptisms 1786 - 1837, Page 18
    Source: LDS Family Search

Baptism: 1 Mar 1807 West St Baptist, Wardleworth, Lancashire, England
Joseph Buckley - Son of Jno. Buckley & Sarah, his wife
    Born: 12 Jan 1807
    Abode: Shaylane in Hundersfield in the parish of Rochdale and County of Lancaster
    Registered By: Thos. Littlewood, Protestant Dissenting Minister
    Register: Baptisms 1786 - 1837, Page 83
    Source: LDS Family Search

Baptism: 24 Jul 1808 West St Baptist, Wardleworth, Lancashire, England
Abraham Buckley - Son of James Buckley & Mary, his wife
    Born: 6 Jun 1808
    Abode: Waterhouse in Hundersfield in the parish of Rochdale and County of Lancaster
    Registered By: Thos. Littlewood, Protestant Dissenting Minister
    Register: Baptisms 1786 - 1837, Page 92
    Source: LDS Family Search
oakes,liverpool..neston..backford..poulton cum spittal(bebington)middlewich,cheshire......†† sacht,helgoland† .......merrick,herefordshire adams,shropshire...tipping..ellis..† jones,garston,liverpool..hartley.dunham massey..barker. salford

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Re: Parents of Ben Buckley, born 1793, Saddleworth
« Reply #5 on: Monday 06 April 20 09:58 BST (UK) »
Thank you very much for looking into this for me. I did find the Baptist church birth for Benjamin in 1793 but sadly he died the following year, also recorded in the same church register. The witness at Ben and Ann's wedding is definitely Joseph, not Joshua, in the St Chads Rochdale register. I've got an enlarged printout and it's very clear. The J in Joseph is quite unusual in the way it's written. Thanks again - I really appreciate your reply.

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Re: Parents of Ben Buckley, born 1793, Saddleworth
« Reply #6 on: Monday 06 April 20 10:26 BST (UK) »
Itís annoying that the childrenís baptisms show Mother as Ďdaughter of..í but no provision for father as Ďson of ...í
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Re: Parents of Ben Buckley, born 1793, Saddleworth
« Reply #7 on: Monday 06 April 20 11:00 BST (UK) »
Just a bit of a record in case you donít have it.

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Re: Parents of Ben Buckley, born 1793, Saddleworth
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 07 April 20 00:23 BST (UK) »
Thanks very much for sending the link to the Directory. I hadn't come across that so I'll have a good look at it. James Buckley, who is the best fit for Ben's father, was a clothier. I see there are some Mallalieus in the directory too.   :)