Bethell-McCoy Liverpool

[DVB-Antwerp]

Good day, can anyone help? I am looking for William Bethell x Mary McCoy. They had a son William, born 1842 Liverpool, who emigrated to Belgium, but died in Liverpool 1915. Checked some censusses, nothing decisive.. When & where were they married? (can I find a certificate?) who were their parents??
Thanks a lot
Dirk VB

[Milliepede]

Hi

Do you know when son William emigrated to Belgium?

I can't see his birth registration in 1842 Liverpool.  Where has his mothers name come from please?

[ShaunJ]

There is a birth registration for a William Bethel in Liverpool RD in 1842. GRO index has no mother's maiden name, suggesting an unmarried mother.

There's Roman Catholic burial for a William Bethell aged 72 at Yew Tree cemetery in April 1915. Address 8 Radnor Place, Tuebrook.

[CaroleW]

Welcome to Rootschat

Did he marry?  If so - when & where and who did he marry?

How do you know he was born in Liverpool - do you have him on any census?

No 1851 or 1861 entry for him fitting the profile given

[CaroleW]

Gulielmus Bethel aged 2
[William Bethel ]
Born 1840
Baptism Date:    31 Aug 1842
Baptism Place:    St Nicholas, Liverpool, Lancashire, England

Father:    Gulielmus Bethel
Mother:    Maria Mccoy

There is nothing on the original entry showing him as 2yrs old

[CaroleW]

There is an 1861 marriage - William Bethell/Frances Banks but his father was Edward

Apart from the baptism - nothing else to link William to Liverpool - no census entry etc

[DVB-Antwerp]

Thanks to all for swift reply!
To answer all questions I obtained from you:
William (° 31/8/1842) must have emigrated  to Antwerp between 1860 and 1865. He married a local girl, ML Parmentier at Antwerp on 28/11/1868. His marriage records mentions his parents as William Bethell & Mary McCoy, both “deceased” at that date. (Which does not guarantee they died before that date..?) He was active in ship managing over here and I presume he sometimes got back to Liverpool, it is certain he died there, because his death card says so. Back in 2000, I obtained photographs of Yew Tree Cemetary tomb stone which confirms this.
I do not know whether the parents were really married, if there is no record to be found, maybe there were not.. In any case, there should be a birth record of William jr. It looks to me that the one mentioned by CaroleW might be the one. I checked several censusses some years ago, and found a William ° 1827 and a Mary ° 1828.. but nothing to give certainty. Thank you so far.

[CaroleW]

2 x Births September qtr 1842 - same reference & quarter
William Bethel  Liverpool    20   444  no mothers maiden name shown indicating he was illegitimate

Births September qtr  1842 
William McCoy      Liverpool    20   444 GRO online  does not show any results

[DVB-Antwerp]

Thanks again, especially Carole.
If the parents were not married, would that mean this is a "dead end" for us? When (some years ago) I checked 1851 census, I found a William, born 1809 (hence 33 in 1842), this one does not appear in the 1861 census. Hence possibly died in between. I found 3x a Mary McCoy, with age 20 (born 1822), age 30 (born 1812) and age 34 (born 1808), could hence be one of those.. Any suggestion how I can find out more?