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Frank SMITH, b. 1866 Gloucestershire - moves to London in later life?
« on: Wednesday 08 April 20 21:27 BST (UK) »
Hello!

I wondered if I could call upon your powers of deduction to help me find out more about my great-great uncle, Frank Smith.

I can find him on censuses when he’s a kid, and I know some bits and pieces about him in later life, but nothing in-between.

This is what I know for sure:

Born: 4 December 1866, Walls Quarry, Brimscombe, Gloucestershire (from his birth certificate - can I post a scan of it?)

1871 census: Avening, Gloucestershire, 4yo - Scholar
RG10/2641/16/7

1881 census: Avening, Gloucestershire, 14yo - Farm labourer
RG11/2550/110/10

April 1940: his older sister Elizabeth Mary Smith leaves him some money in her will, and the probate calendar entry describes him as “Frank Smith, retired chief steward”.

Between 1881 and 1940, and thereafter, I’m stumped!

This is *potentially* him on the 1939 Register in Lambeth, given that the birthday matches the birth certificate:
RG101/0347F/004/41

It would also make sense in the wider context of most of his siblings having moved to London. Within the household is a lady called Blanche, but I’m finding it hard to find a marriage entry which makes sense.

More broadly, several of his siblings are just [first name] Smith with no middle names to distinguish them when searching - I’d be interested to hear how you tend to approach this, and verify that you’ve found the right one!

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Re: Frank SMITH, b. 1866 Gloucestershire - moves to London in later life?
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 08 April 20 22:46 BST (UK) »
What are his parents names?

Could this be Frank?

London Electoral Register Years 1947/48

13 Frederick Street Lambeth
Frank Smith
Blanche Smith
Winifred B Smith
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Re: Frank SMITH, b. 1866 Gloucestershire - moves to London in later life?
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 08 April 20 23:13 BST (UK) »
Hello!

These are his parents names:
Thomas Smith, 1798-1880 - born in Abergwili, Carmarthenshire (yep, he was really in his sixties when he had Frank!)
Mary Jones, b 1831- originally from Thornbury, Bristol

Other census references for the family:
1861 - RG09/1777/94/22 (In Brimscombe, Gloucestershire)
1891 - RG12/465/39/7 (His mother and some of his siblings move to Camberwell, in South London)
1901 - RG13/533/52/10 (His sisters, Elizabeth Mary Smith, Louisa and Emily, and his mother in Lewisham, South London)

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Re: Frank SMITH, b. 1866 Gloucestershire - moves to London in later life?
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 08 April 20 23:18 BST (UK) »
To help others looking here’s 1871c detail

Thomas Smith   72 Superannuated revenue officer
Mary Smith   41
Elizabeth M Smith   12
Thomas Smith   10
George Smith   8
Frank Smith   5 Minchinhampton
Louisa Smith   2
Emily Smith   7/12

and 1881c

Piece:   2550
Folio:   110
Page Number:   10

Mary Smith   Wid. 40
George Smith   18 Wallsquarry, Gloucestershire
Frank Smith   14.  Ditto farm labourer
Emily Smith   10
Herbert Smith   6

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Re: Frank SMITH, b. 1866 Gloucestershire - moves to London in later life?
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 08 April 20 23:21 BST (UK) »
You can find Winifred with mother Blanche on the 1911 census

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retired chief steward

Away at sea could account for being unable to find him on censuses

EDIT

From Family Search

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X71G-1FY
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Carlin (Ireland & Liverpool) Doughty & Wright (Liverpool) Dick & Park (Scotland & Liverpool)

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Re: Frank SMITH, b. 1866 Gloucestershire - moves to London in later life?
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 08 April 20 23:24 BST (UK) »
What are his parents names?

Could this be Frank?

London Electoral Register Years 1947/48

13 Frederick Street Lambeth
Frank Smith
Blanche Smith
Winifred B Smith

Think Blanche & Winifred B are in Hawkesbury, Gloucestershire, along with an Ernest F B Smith b c 1905 in 1911?
Keyboard86

Just spotted your post Carole!
Pelly/Pelley/Kingsbury/Challis/Nalder/Rochester/Raydenbow

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Re: Frank SMITH, b. 1866 Gloucestershire - moves to London in later life?
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 08 April 20 23:26 BST (UK) »
Frank Smith
Baptism 13 Jan 1867 Brimscombe, Gloucestershire
Father:   Thomas Smith Retired revenue officer Mother:   Mary
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Re: Frank SMITH, b. 1866 Gloucestershire - moves to London in later life?
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 08 April 20 23:28 BST (UK) »
SMITH, ERNEST  FRANK MALVERN     mmn MALVERN     
GRO Reference: 1904  J Quarter in BLEAN  Volume 02A  Page 959
 
SMITH, WINEFRED  BLANCHE      mmn MALVERN     
GRO Reference: 1907  S Quarter in CHIPPING SODBURY  Volume 06A  Page 246

EDIT

MALVERN, LIZZIE  BLANCHE      PARKER     
GRO Reference: 1873  S Quarter in CHELTENHAM  Volume 06A  Page 419


See Edit to reply 4 - 1911 details from FS posted
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Carlin (Ireland & Liverpool) Doughty & Wright (Liverpool) Dick & Park (Scotland & Liverpool)

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Re: Frank SMITH, b. 1866 Gloucestershire - moves to London in later life?
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 08 April 20 23:31 BST (UK) »
Marriages June qtr 1903 
Malvern    Lizzie Blanch/Blanche        Steyning    2b   603    
Smith    Frank        
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Carlin (Ireland & Liverpool) Doughty & Wright (Liverpool) Dick & Park (Scotland & Liverpool)