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Re: Short Birth Certificate - can't find birth in GRO
« Reply #18 on: Wednesday 06 May 20 22:40 BST (UK) »
Sorry for the slow reply but is help still required on this one?

I phoned the GRO on another matter today and was told that the adoptions dept there is closed because of the lockdown so certificates aren't being produced at the moment.

It is possible to work out the reference for ordering a certificate if you don't have access to the GRO indexes at the 7 host sites.
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Re: Short Birth Certificate - can't find birth in GRO
« Reply #19 on: Thursday 07 May 20 08:47 BST (UK) »

Am I right it thinking that the index will only show the name given at birth, so if his name was changed later in life it would not appear?

There is no process for changing the original registration for a later change of name, unless there was a mistake made in the original registration.
See http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/Eliz2/1-2/20/section/29/enacted
Stan

Not so Stan, you have overlooked section 13 (which I am sure you have mentioned in previous years) of the Births and Deaths Registration Act 1953 allows for an alteration.

"Births and Deaths Registration Act 1953

13 Registration of name of child or of alteration of name

(1)Where, before the expiration of twelve months from the date of the registration of the birth of any child, the name by which it was registered is altered or, if it was registered without a name, a name is given to the child, the registrar or superintendent registrar having the custody of the register in which the birth was registered, upon delivery to him at any time of a certificate in the prescribed form signed—

(a)if the name was altered or given in baptism, either by the person who performed the rite of baptism or by the person who has the custody of the register, if any, in (which the baptism is recorded, or

(b)if a name has not been given to the child in baptism, by the father, mother or guardian of the child or other person procuring the name of the child to be altered or given,

and upon payment to him by the person procuring the name mentioned in the certificate to be entered of a fee of one shilling and sixpence, shall, without any erasure of the original entry, forthwith enter in the register the name mentioned in the certificate as having been given to the child, and, after stating upon the certificate the fact that the entry has been made, shall forthwith send the certificate to the Registrar General together with a certified copy of the entry of the birth with the name added under this subsection.

(2)Where the name of a child is altered or given in baptism, the person who performed the rite of baptism or who has the custody of any register in which the baptism is recorded shall issue the certificate required under this section on payment of a fee not exceeding one shilling and sixpence.

(3)This section shall apply with the prescribed modifications in relation to births at sea of which a return is sent to the Registrar General.

(4)This section shall not apply in relation to a still-born child."

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Re: Short Birth Certificate - can't find birth in GRO
« Reply #20 on: Thursday 07 May 20 09:39 BST (UK) »
Hi, yes still looking for help (just been busy at work)
The change of name within a few weeks of the birth does fit with a family story, but unfortunately no one knows the original names.
But if the register was changed then wouldn't the new name come up on the GRO search, or would it still only show the original?

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Re: Short Birth Certificate - can't find birth in GRO
« Reply #21 on: Thursday 07 May 20 09:57 BST (UK) »
The process for a change of name after registration described above only applies to the fore-name, not the surname (children registered before 1969 don't have any surname entered on the regsiter anyway).

How it is indexed would probably depend on whether ANY first name was on the original registration (you can register a birth without a name) and how soon after the registration the "new" forename was entered.

But - from the information you have given so far, it sounds like you are dealing with an adoption, so the change of name process isn't relevant.


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Re: Short Birth Certificate - can't find birth in GRO
« Reply #22 on: Friday 08 May 20 09:22 BST (UK) »
Hi kigi,

You say that he was born late 30’s, and you have an actual birth date, and a possible change of name.

Have you looked on the 1939 register? This would establish if in 1939 he Held the name by which you knew/know him and would confirm date of birth you hold.

If he is not in 1939 register under the name you know him by, you can search by birth date alone,
This of course produces thousands of results - depends how desperate you are to go through these.

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