William WARDMAN who married in Derby in 1902

[CaroleW]

I made the correction on the Ancestry 1911 entry

[ValJJJ]

Could be a complete coincidence but Charlotte Wardman nee West's sister Rosa May married Thomas Coulson, whose father lived with them, and was a retired master mariner.  Perhaps she met William Wardman, mariner, through these relatives?  Fun to invent backstories for people!

[CaroleW]

So William could have been a mariner

[ValJJJ]

Yes, anything is possible!  I've found the father Alfred Coulson's mates and masters certificates and he was born in Yorkshire and went to sea from Whitby and Scarborough.  I've yet to find out when he moved to Derby but presumably it was on retiring.  I've found lots of other records for him - census, death, burial in Wilne, Derby (with his last address not with his family as in the 1901 and 1911 census, but in the Arboretum Hotel, Osmaston Rd, Derby - was this a hostel more than a hotel?).

I can't find him in 1871 or 1881, and not spotted any connection with William Wardman (yet...if any). Alfred's wife was from Derbyshire, and was with her parents in 1871 without Alfred, and with her widowed father in 1881, in Derby.

[spendlove]

Hi,

I have the info for 1902 marriage for Crook = Wardman

Normanton Road Congregational Church Derby
29th October 1902

William Wardman, age 32, Batchelor, Draper
75 Corporation Street, Birmingham
Father - William Wardman, Grocer

Charlotte Ann Crook, age 33, Widow,
“Fernleigh”, 6 London Street, Derby
Father - Thomas West, Farmer

In Presence of - Thomas Coulson, Rosa Coulson, Lily Jennings

For said Church - J. W. Hodges

Spendlove

[Mabel Bagshawe]

Think I may have tracked him down

1901 - in Handsworth, Staffs. draper's assistant

Walter Henry Bradley    41
Elizabeth Bradley    38
Dorothy Ethel Bradley    11
Gladys L Bradley    8
Wm Wardman    30 - boarder b Otley, West Yorks


Same chap in 1911 - note marital status
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWNL-MQ6

Trace him back and his father is called William, and is a grocer

[Mabel Bagshawe]

He dies in 1922 in Otley - probate to his sister from the 1911 census

It's unclear why he's back in Yorkshire

[ValJJJ]

Hi Mabel

Thanks for that info but until I take a visit to Matlock's archives to look at the marriage info (if they have chapel marriage info) or obtain the marriage certificate, I can't be certain this is the correct William Wardman.  It's certainly a thought.  Although would it be usual to give probate to your sister rather than your wife?  Of course, he may have drawn up his will before marrying Charlotte and not changed it.  And whoever has probate doesn't necessarily inherit.

He is of the right age, but there is a William Wardman CofE baptism in Otley, son of William Wardman, grocer, also taxes on a shop and house in Otley for this name, and a marriage in Yorks in 1895 to an Emily Harrison of Leeds. And some other Wardman marriages, incl WW in Yorkshire, where a William Wardman father is a waiter.

I can't find a William Wardman birth/baptism in the non-conformist records on FindMyPast - these records don't cover the period where he married Charlotte.

Too many William Wardmans!

[spendlove]

Hi Valjjj


Did you miss my post giving my transcript of the actual marriage register for Normanton Road Congregational Church?  I give it again

I have the info for 1902 marriage for Crook = Wardman

Normanton Road Congregational Church Derby
29th October 1902

William Wardman, age 32, Batchelor, Draper
75 Corporation Street, Birmingham
Father - William Wardman, Grocer

Charlotte Ann Crook, age 33, Widow,
“Fernleigh”, 6 London Street, Derby
Father - Thomas West, Farmer

In Presence of - Thomas Coulson, Rosa Coulson, Lily Jennings

For said Church - J. W. Hodges

Spendlove