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Information please from this Grave
« on: Sunday 12 April 20 12:43 BST (UK) »
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/160434843/william-w_-jones

I have a William Williams Jones born in Cardiganshire Wales  about the same time.
He went to Colorado in 1891 but his wife  died there in 1892.
I have tried without success to find him again in Britain but with no luck, so wondering if this is the same man. His parents were William Jones a mine agent , his mother was Mary.
There is a lot on Jennie on the Find a Grave site which might help
Thanks.
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« Reply #1 on: Sunday 12 April 20 13:20 BST (UK) »
Nothing on parents on this marriage entry - 6 September 1903 Bucklin, Ford, Kansas

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FW2B-C25

The Dodge City Globe Dodge City, Kansas 10 Sep 1903, Thu    Page 5

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/48526982/marriage-license-10-september-1903/

Kiowa County Signal Greensburg, Kansas 11 Sep 1903, Fri    Page 4

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/48527030/married-11-september-1903/

Any clues in the naming of the children.........1920 census Bucklin, Ford, Kansas.  ???

William Jones   59 Jennie Jones   39
Ellen Jones   15 Clarence Jones    14
Ernest Jones   11 Edna Jones   8
Mary Jones   7 Floyd Jones 5 Hugh Jones 2

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MF6C-NY9

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« Reply #2 on: Sunday 12 April 20 13:49 BST (UK) »
Digressing to check out another William W Jones who was born 1 March 1860 Wales  died 16 Dec 1915 (aged 55) Dodge City, Ford County, Kansas. Found the obituary for him which indicated he was born Bethania  Blaenau Festiniog. One discounted anyway.

The Emporia Weekly Gazette Emporia, Kansas 23 Dec 1915, Thu    Page 6

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/48527862/obituary-for-william-w-jones/

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« Reply #3 on: Sunday 12 April 20 14:39 BST (UK) »
Thanks.
Looking at the details on 1910 and 1920 census  they both say he immigrated in 1881,   1920 say he naturalised in 1890.
I know he married in London in January 1891.
I have got him after his marriage in 1891 census when he is a gold miner born Aberystwyth Cardiganshire  and visiting in Cardiff, Wales  I know that they left for Colorado in June the same year. 
I`ve been struggling to find William in the census  after 1871 in UK when he is still with his parents.

is it him or not.
The GRO index has William Williams Jones birth 1860 mar qtr Bangor mmn Williams. This could  be why his middle is such.
But also a William Williams Jones birth 1861 mar qtr Bala. mmn Stiphinson
 
Is it  possible he was just registered as William.
Births Mar 1860   
JONES   William       Aberystwith   
JONES, WILLIAM mmn       REES     
GRO Reference: 1860  M Quarter in ABERYSTWYTH 

 It`s tricky.
Thanks for what you found so far. Happy Easter.

 
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« Reply #4 on: Sunday 12 April 20 15:59 BST (UK) »
Any clues in the naming of the children.........1920 census Bucklin, Ford, Kansas.  ???
William Jones   59 Jennie Jones   39
Ellen Jones   15 Clarence Jones    14
Ernest Jones   11 Edna Jones   8
Mary Jones   7 Floyd Jones 5 Hugh Jones 2
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MF6C-NY9

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I compared the names of these children with the 3 William Jones births that wilcoxon posted in reply 3. I didn't find any matches.
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is he
Births Mar 1860   
JONES   William       Aberystwith   
JONES, WILLIAM mmn       REES     
GRO Reference: 1860  M Quarter in ABERYSTWYTH

GRO 1850 to 1870, no males by those names in Aberystwith with mmn Rees
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is he
William Williams Jones birth 1860 mar qtr Bangor mmn Williams.

GRO 1850 to 1870, no Clarence or Ernest with mmn Williams b in Bangor
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is he
William Williams Jones birth 1861 mar qtr Bala. mmn Stiphinson

didn't find any other births to this couple in Bala.

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If there had been some matches, it possibly would have proved something, but finding no matches doesn't prove that Jennie Sluder's husband isn't the man you are looking for.

And the names don't match any of Jennie's siblings either, if her findagrave information is correct.

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« Reply #5 on: Sunday 12 April 20 16:16 BST (UK) »
Is this his wife?
Louisa Jones
Wife of W.W. Jones. Killed (at) Yankee Girl Mine. Welsh inscription "In loving memory of Louisa, dear wife of W.W. Jones, Yankee Girl Mine, Colorado, formerly of Coedpoeth,
age 31. buried at Silverton, San Juan County, Colorado, USA

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/126750007

If so, we know where William Williams Jones was last seen in the US and can work outward from there.
If not, do you know her full name, date of birth, and place of death?

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Just thinking, If he was a miner, he wouldn't have gone to Kansas, unless he gave up mining. It's flat with no mines that I've ever heard of.

Q. Were there gold mines in Wales? or why did he say he was a gold miner on the 1891 Census? Had he been to the US before, maybe? or somewhere else where there were gold mines?


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« Reply #6 on: Sunday 12 April 20 16:31 BST (UK) »
https://newspapers.library.wales/view/3312298/3312301/27/

This is their marriage.  In 1891 census he says he was a gold miner
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« Reply #7 on: Sunday 12 April 20 16:36 BST (UK) »
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welsh_gold

Aberystwyth is not too far from Dolgellau. 
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« Reply #8 on: Sunday 12 April 20 16:40 BST (UK) »
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