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Re: Information please from this Grave
« Reply #9 on: Sunday 12 April 20 17:12 BST (UK) »
Janetta JonesAge in 1901:35
Relation:VisitorGender:Female
Where born:Bersham, Denbighshire, Wales

Name:Evewa JonesAge in 1901:2 estimated birth year:abt 1899
Relation:VisitorGender:FemaleWhere born:S America, Row Honda Other States Bs
Civil Parish:Bersham

These two are with Caroline Brooks in 1901, she was the mother of Louise, she did have a daughter Janet, but if this is her she isn't entered as such.

Her husband was a mining engineer but has died.
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« Reply #10 on: Monday 13 April 20 00:24 BST (UK) »
There is a William Jones in Silverton, Colorado, in 1900 and 1910, but he was born April 1857 and is a tailor who owns his own shop. He arrived in 1891 and was naturalized by 1900. In 1910 he said he was born in Wales. The 1900 census said he was born in England.

1910 link
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MK4K-F9K

He and Elizabeth married in Silverton in 1895. The 1910 census said it was the second marriage for both. I think the marriage information in 1900 applied to Elizabeth only. It wasn't supposed to, but that's the way it looks to me.

US census information is not always accurate. You often have to read between the lines to figure out the actual state of affairs :)

link to the marriage:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KNQC-KW6


1900 Census Silverton, Colorado
on Reese Street

William Jones, April 1857, England, arrived 1891, naturalized, a tailor. he owns the house
Elizabeth Jones, Dec 1856, England
Willie Jones, Jan 1887, England
Mary Jones, July 1892, Colorado
Fred Jones, June 1889, England

Their information said both were married 17 years. Elizabeth had 9 children of whom 4 were alive.

[Notes: Frederick was Elizabeth's son, probably William was also. But I don't think Mary Ann is Elizabeth's daughter. The numbers don't add up for her birth, Eliz's arrival, etc.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MQMK-Z5H

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The daughter Mary Ann is linked at ancestry to Mary Ann (Jones) Osgood, who was born 2 July 1892, died 26 March 1921, and is buried in Hillside Cemetery, Silverton, Colorado

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/97906214

She married Everett Horton Osgood 8 October 1915 in Durango, Colorado.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KNQN-19W

The 3 trees at ancestry that include her have her with an unknown mother. The tree at familysearch has her as the daughter of Elizabeth Bamfield.

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All of this only fits your William Williams Jones if 1) he quit mining and became a tailor and 2) he and Louisa had a daughter who wasn't mentioned in her obituary. So I don't know where that leaves us.

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Louisa's obituary said her father in law was on Powell Street, Aberystwyth, in September 1892. Can you find him there in 1891?

Can you find any definite siblings of the William Jones born in the March Quarter of 1860 in Aberystwyth, mother's maiden name Rees? It would help to find him between 1861 to 1881.

There were at least 2 Jones-Rees couples in Aberystwyth in 1860, because there is another Jones birth in June Qtr 1860 with mmn Rees.


Edited to strike out. It doesn't matter because there's no proof that was the man you are looking for. There were 24 or so William Jones born in Aberystwyth between 1855 and 1859, for example.

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« Reply #11 on: Monday 13 April 20 14:45 BST (UK) »
Thanks for all that. I have managed to trace the family back by searching for Mary rather than William.
There were a lot of children but many had common names. I have found what may be some of them, but there were more than one born with mmn Williams  ::)

RG13; Piece: 5153; Folio: 118; Page: 11
1901 Aberyswyth
William Jones  retired Mine agent.  Aged 75 bc 1826
Where born:    Aberystwyth , Cardiganshire
Mary Jones wife 77 b Llanfihangel Y Creuddyn, Cardiganshire,
Jane Davies widow sister in law. 57 Llanfihangel Y Creuddyn,

1891 census for Powell Street (district 4 )  On Anc William is transcribed as 25
 RD12 /4458  Civil parish St Michael. Powell Street   103 page 49
William Jones 25 (65) mining agent  b Aberystwyth
Mary Jones 67 b  Llanfihangel
Thos M   son 27 coal miner b Llanbadarn
Richard E Jones  47 visitor b Llanbadarn
Mary J Jones 27 grand daughter b Llanbadarn


In 1881 William is missing  and I can’t find him with exactly that birth year.

1881 RG11; Piece: 5449; Folio: 73; Page: 6;
 Parcel Canol. Aberystwith
William Jones    55 Mine Agent & Farmer Of 30 Acres
Mary Jones    58 Llanl G Glyn, Cardiganshire,
Sophia Jones    19
Thomas Jones    17


1871 RG10; Piece: 5712; Folio: 81; Page: 22
Llanllyfni   Caernarvonshire
William Jones    45  mine agent Aberystwyth,
Mary Jones    47 Llanfihangal Geraurglyn,
Cathrine Jones    22 Llanbadarn fawr   1849
David Jones    20 quarry man  b “
John Jones    18  Joiner b  “
Richard Jones    13 tailor b  “
*William Jones    11 Llanbadarn Vawr
Sophia Jones    9 “ 1862
Thomas Jones    7 “

1861 RG9; Piece: 4200; Folio: 64; Page: 22;
Treferig Cardiganshire
William Jones    35  lead miner Aberystwith,
Mary Jones    37 b Llanfihangel G Glyn,
Anne Jones    14 b Llanbadarn Fawr 1847
David Jones    10 “
John Jones    8 “
Richard Jones    3 “
*William Jones    1 “

1851 HO107; Piece: 2486; Folio: 342; Page: 43;
Treverig
William Jones    24 lead miner
Mary Jones    27 Llanfihangel Genan Glyn,
Anne Jones    4 Llanfihangel  1847
Cathrin Jones    2  “ 1849
David Jones    7  / 1  “ 

JONES, CATHERINE      WILLIAMS  1848  J Quarter in ABERYSTWYTH 
JONES, CATHERINE      WILLIAMS     1848  S Quarter in ABERYSTWYTH 
JONES, DAVID        WILLIAMS     1850  M Quarter in ABERYSTWYTH 
JONES, RICHARD        WILLIAMS     1858  S Quarter in ABERYSTWYTH 
JONES, WILLIAM        WILLIAMS     1860  J Quarter in ABERYSTWYTH     
JONES, WILLIAM        WILLIAMS     1860  S Quarter in ABERYSTWITH
 JONES, SOPHIA        WILLIAMS     1862  M Quarter in ABERYSTWYTH 



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Re: Information please from this Grave
« Reply #12 on: Monday 13 April 20 14:47 BST (UK) »

1891  Newspapers DEATH .—On Friday, the 19th May, We regret to announce the death of  R. E Jones, of  Salem, Penrhyncoch,  which took place at the residence of his father-in- law, Captain W. Jones, 9 Powell-street. For about fourteen years,  he had been at work in South America and for nine years was engaged as head dresser at the Frias Mine, Tolima. In 1886 he returned home to spend 3 months holiday .  He  then  returned to Columbia as agent for a North American Mining Company, and was engaged for eight months as agent for the Tolima Mines. In the last appointment he was taken ill, and had to retire in December last. He came home in February, suffering from consumption   he was 47 age, a widower, and leaves one daughter.
Born c 1844

Is this the same Richard  E Jones. I`m not finding a Margaret E with William and Mary.
Death Notice 1881  (translated from Welsh)
JONES- June  10, 1881, at  New Pittsburgh, Kansas. Mrs. Margaret E Jones, dear spouse  of  Mr. Richard E. Jones,  38  years old.
Born c 1843
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« Reply #13 on: Monday 13 April 20 14:53 BST (UK) »
FIND A GRAVE

Margaret E Jones 1843 - 1881

Rosebank Cemetery Mulberry, Crawford County, Kansas.
PLOT   Roll 7 from E, N to S

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/33677270

Richard E Jones

Rosebank Cemetery Mulberry, Crawford County, Kansas
PLOT   Roll 7 From E,N to S

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/33677240/richard-e-jones

Sarah A Jones Brown 1869 - 1899

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/75914953/sarah-a-brown


Lilly Brown 1891 - 1894

   
Rosebank Cemetery Mulberry, Crawford County, Kansas.

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/44061179/lilly-brown


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Re: Information please from this Grave
« Reply #14 on: Monday 13 April 20 16:46 BST (UK) »
Richard E Jones. So it`s not the same man.  I wonder which daughter he married then.
Did she die here or in America. It`s baffling.

The funeral took place on Saturday last, at Salem. when the Rev J. Miles, Independent, was the officiating minister. The remains were accompanied from the town to the place of interment by a number of friends.
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« Reply #15 on: Monday 13 April 20 16:54 BST (UK) »
https://newspapers.library.wales/view/3344941/3344946/32/
22nd June 1888
MORGANS—JONES—At Salem Chapel, Talybont, by the, Rev. J. H. Thomas, in the presence of Mr Jones, registrar, Mr John Morgans, Bont Farm, Ponterwyd to Miss Sophia Jones, daughter of Capt Jones , Darren.
Darren was where the Jones family were in 1881, including Sophia.
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« Reply #16 on: Tuesday 14 April 20 06:30 BST (UK) »
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/105461963/david-john-jones

Richard E Jones married Ann, she died in Wales. Is it possible William W Jones went  to America with him after her death. 
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