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1820s Royal College of Surgeons - London
« on: Thursday 16 April 20 10:33 BST (UK) »
Hi

In 1823 my fourth great grandfather graduated from the Royal College of Surgeons. We are fortunate to have his original graduation certificate. He went on to work in Burma and then spent a majority of the rest of his life in India before returning to Dublin where he was born and married and had two children - John Cornwall McGaveston and Charles Wynn McGaveston. He doesn't appear to follow Irish naming traditions.

He was sponsored to be a surgeon by Charles Watkin Williams-Wynn (CWWW) and when my ancestor completed his training was sponsored to the Honorary East India Company (HEIC) by Charles again.

1. Does anyone know how people came to be sponsored to be surgeons?
2. Can anyone suggest why CWWW would sponsor someone in Dublin to be a surgeon in London?
3. We have not been able to establish any sort of family connection

My ancestors parents were Nicholas McGaveston and Rose Higgins. Nicholas was born around 1753 and died in 1823 in Dublin. We have almost no details about Rose except her marriage. One of Nicholas other children Mary McGaveston married Mathew Hilton who was a land steward for the Marquess of Ormonde. It seems our family was well to do or connected but we have no idea how to CWWW.
McGaveston - Dublin-Ireland, France, New Zealand
White - Shalden, Alton, Chawton-Hampshire
O'Donnell - New Zealand, Co Down-Northern Ireland, USA
Franklin/Fraenkel - New Zealand, Prussia
Day - Echuca, Tongala, London, Fairford-Gloucestershire
Clark/McGraw - New Zealand, Ireland, England
McMahon -Ipswich-QLD, Kiladysart-Co Clare
Smith - Ipswich, Pine Mountain, Redbank-QLD, Co Westmeath, Co Cavan-Ireland
McGuire - Redbank - QLD, Co Westmeath-Ireland
Culhane - Queensland, Ardlaghan - Co Limerick

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Re: 1820s Royal College of Surgeons - London
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 17 March 21 04:12 GMT (UK) »
I thought I would bump this thread
McGaveston - Dublin-Ireland, France, New Zealand
White - Shalden, Alton, Chawton-Hampshire
O'Donnell - New Zealand, Co Down-Northern Ireland, USA
Franklin/Fraenkel - New Zealand, Prussia
Day - Echuca, Tongala, London, Fairford-Gloucestershire
Clark/McGraw - New Zealand, Ireland, England
McMahon -Ipswich-QLD, Kiladysart-Co Clare
Smith - Ipswich, Pine Mountain, Redbank-QLD, Co Westmeath, Co Cavan-Ireland
McGuire - Redbank - QLD, Co Westmeath-Ireland
Culhane - Queensland, Ardlaghan - Co Limerick

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Re: 1820s Royal College of Surgeons - London
« Reply #2 on: Friday 19 March 21 07:40 GMT (UK) »
Hi revolution
You do not give the name of your ancestor --
just those of some of his children and his parents.

There were not many places giving medical education at that time.
London being one.

Had his father predeceased his medical training?
Might be poor relief for someone with good connections?
What role did CWWW fill in the society?

Were they protestant settlers in a predominantly catholic land?
The sponsorship and stewardship suggest so.
Have you looked in British newspapers or Australian ones?
Both reported Indian news.

If nothing else another boost.
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Re: 1820s Royal College of Surgeons - London
« Reply #3 on: Friday 19 March 21 08:09 GMT (UK) »
Hi

John McGaveston.

His father died in 1817

Charles was a politician https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Williams-Wynn_(1775%E2%80%931850)

They appeared to change religions and I think we're Catholic at that time.

I've looked at newspapers and journals at the time. It details John's promotion, the leave he took, where he was in India but nothing about the relationship between CWWW and John.

Johns brother lived a long life as a gentleman. His wife's family also had money although her brother squandered that.

We have correspondence which says after John died in 1846 the HEIC wouldn't pay his widow his pension as he had land in India. A family story says that his wife sailed to India to settle his business affairs but I have no proof of that. I know she involved two men who her husband had dealt with when he was alive and she got next to nothing from his estate. They ripped her off.
McGaveston - Dublin-Ireland, France, New Zealand
White - Shalden, Alton, Chawton-Hampshire
O'Donnell - New Zealand, Co Down-Northern Ireland, USA
Franklin/Fraenkel - New Zealand, Prussia
Day - Echuca, Tongala, London, Fairford-Gloucestershire
Clark/McGraw - New Zealand, Ireland, England
McMahon -Ipswich-QLD, Kiladysart-Co Clare
Smith - Ipswich, Pine Mountain, Redbank-QLD, Co Westmeath, Co Cavan-Ireland
McGuire - Redbank - QLD, Co Westmeath-Ireland
Culhane - Queensland, Ardlaghan - Co Limerick


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Re: 1820s Royal College of Surgeons - London
« Reply #4 on: Friday 19 March 21 16:14 GMT (UK) »
There are 3 references to John McGaveston on Find my Past.

Make sure you turn the pages as they are on more than one page. This particularly applies to the one
From the British India Office Assistant Surgeons

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Re: 1820s Royal College of Surgeons - London
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 21 March 21 09:38 GMT (UK) »
Hi Gibel

Ive looked at all the McGaveston records on FindMyPast but have been unable to find a link between CWWW and John other than sponsoring/nominating him. I cant read the words after ...Williams Wynn an ? in the image below

Is there something Ive missed?
McGaveston - Dublin-Ireland, France, New Zealand
White - Shalden, Alton, Chawton-Hampshire
O'Donnell - New Zealand, Co Down-Northern Ireland, USA
Franklin/Fraenkel - New Zealand, Prussia
Day - Echuca, Tongala, London, Fairford-Gloucestershire
Clark/McGraw - New Zealand, Ireland, England
McMahon -Ipswich-QLD, Kiladysart-Co Clare
Smith - Ipswich, Pine Mountain, Redbank-QLD, Co Westmeath, Co Cavan-Ireland
McGuire - Redbank - QLD, Co Westmeath-Ireland
Culhane - Queensland, Ardlaghan - Co Limerick

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Re: 1820s Royal College of Surgeons - London
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 21 March 21 11:37 GMT (UK) »
Assist surgeon to Madras. The first s is a long s looks like an f without the cross bar. The t is superscript. So it is Assistant.
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