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Re: I need definition
« Reply #18 on: Friday 17 April 20 21:22 BST (UK) »
https://www.college.police.uk/What-we-do/COVID-19/Documents/What-constitutes-a-reasonable-excuse.pdf?fbclid=IwAR2U9-JJ1CfdZjIZX1eifDH1cJtNcqYvM9J5VoRsY6N3lxnPxATXHsLrVR0

Some very good guidance here on how the police are interpreting the guidance.

I would challenge this in the "Not likely to be reasonable" column: "A short walk to a park when the person remains seated for a much longer period" as it may be discriminatory against people with physical or mental disabilities. I saw such a person sitting on a park bench last week with his companion or carer. I have been in that situation in the past.
I'm not happy about "buying paint & brushes to redecorate a kitchen" being in that column either.
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Re: I need definition
« Reply #19 on: Friday 17 April 20 21:25 BST (UK) »

We can now get in the car to go for a walk.

I usually go for a drive in my car!.  ::)
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Suey is boasting that her car is so big she can walk about in it. Perhaps it's not a car but a redundant bus!  ;D

I did say that didn’t I !!  don’t think the brain was quite in gear, I’d obviously not had my second cup of coffee  ;D ;D
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Re: I need definition
« Reply #20 on: Saturday 18 April 20 08:06 BST (UK) »
https://www.college.police.uk/What-we-do/COVID-19/Documents/What-constitutes-a-reasonable-excuse.pdf?fbclid=IwAR2U9-JJ1CfdZjIZX1eifDH1cJtNcqYvM9J5VoRsY6N3lxnPxATXHsLrVR0

Some very good guidance here on how the police are interpreting the guidance.

I would challenge this in the "Not likely to be reasonable" column: "A short walk to a park when the person remains seated for a much longer period" as it may be discriminatory against people with physical or mental disabilities. I saw such a person sitting on a park bench last week with his companion or carer. I have been in that situation in the past.
I'm not happy about "buying paint & brushes to redecorate a kitchen" being in that column either.

What seems to be missed is the disclaimer at the head of the document

"Some public statements made soon after the adoption of the Regulations suggested that members of the public could only leave their homes if ‘essential’ to do so. However, this is not the test set out in the Regulations and there is no legal basis for a requirement in those terms to be imposed. The applicable threshold is that of ‘reasonable excuse’."

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Re: I need definition
« Reply #21 on: Saturday 18 April 20 11:31 BST (UK) »
https://www.college.police.uk/What-we-do/COVID-19/Documents/What-constitutes-a-reasonable-excuse.pdf?fbclid=IwAR2U9-JJ1CfdZjIZX1eifDH1cJtNcqYvM9J5VoRsY6N3lxnPxATXHsLrVR0

Some very good guidance here on how the police are interpreting the guidance.

I would challenge this in the "Not likely to be reasonable" column: "A short walk to a park when the person remains seated for a much longer period" as it may be discriminatory against people with physical or mental disabilities. I saw such a person sitting on a park bench last week with his companion or carer. I have been in that situation in the past.
I'm not happy about "buying paint & brushes to redecorate a kitchen" being in that column either.

I think that the Government et al are trying to avoid being too prescriptive in their rules and regulations, precisely because they do not want to get into a blanket shut down such as has been seen in Italy and Spain.  For example, it would be entirely reasonable for a person with physical disabilities to spend some time sitting on a bench midway through a walk.  However, it would not be  reasonable for me (or any other fit and healthy person) to sit there for longer than a couple of minutes (the sole purpose of leaving the house being to have got some exercise rather than sit and enjoy the view). 

Now obviously, there are additional difficulties with unseen/invisible health issues, or other issues such as at risk of DV, and in those situations I would hope that should a passing police officer question why that person is sitting for a while, a very brief discussion would elucidate the reasons and a compromise would be reached.

It is the same with leaving the house to get food - I am in the fortunate position of having the money and fridge space to be able to do a shop that lasts 10 days or so.  It would be irresponsible of me to go back to the shop every other day when I have no need to do so.  However, someone who only has a small fridge/limited budget will need to shop more frequently and should be allowed to do so without fear of being 'called out'.

Frankly (and this is comment is not aimed at anybody, but rather my general thoughts) people should be more worried about taking responsibility for their own behaviours and physical distancing, and less worried about judging others.

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Re: I need definition
« Reply #22 on: Saturday 18 April 20 12:36 BST (UK) »
https://www.college.police.uk/What-we-do/COVID-19/Documents/What-constitutes-a-reasonable-excuse.pdf?fbclid=IwAR2U9-JJ1CfdZjIZX1eifDH1cJtNcqYvM9J5VoRsY6N3lxnPxATXHsLrVR0

Some very good guidance here on how the police are interpreting the guidance.

I would challenge this in the "Not likely to be reasonable" column: "A short walk to a park when the person remains seated for a much longer period" as it may be discriminatory against people with physical or mental disabilities. I saw such a person sitting on a park bench last week with his companion or carer. I have been in that situation in the past.
I'm not happy about "buying paint & brushes to redecorate a kitchen" being in that column either.

I think that the Government et al are trying to avoid being too prescriptive in their rules and regulations, precisely because they do not want to get into a blanket shut down such as has been seen in Italy and Spain.  For example, it would be entirely reasonable for a person with physical disabilities to spend some time sitting on a bench midway through a walk.  However, it would not be  reasonable for me (or any other fit and healthy person) to sit there for longer than a couple of minutes (the sole purpose of leaving the house being to have got some exercise rather than sit and enjoy the view). 
The main problem is many newspapers are trying to stir things up in order to sell copy, they know most people do not bother to read the Acts and Statutory instruments so they have carte blanche to claim what they like.
The url given above by Mike in Cumbria lays out guidance for the police from the National Police Chiefs Council
Here is the section that covers sitting down whilst exercising

“Exercise can come in many forms, including walks.
Exercise must involve some movement, but it is acceptable for a person to stop for a break in exercise.
However, a very short period of ‘exercise’ to excuse a long period of inactivity may mean that the person is not engaged in ‘exercise’ but in fact something else.
It is lawful to drive for exercise.”

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Guy
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