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The Tangled Web of Wainman
« on: Saturday 18 April 20 19:38 BST (UK) »
Hello everyone - I am an unworthy newby  ;D but am grateful for having found this site.  I've been working on three separate families for nearly 15 years but as I don't want to take up a lot of time, I am hoping someone out there can point me toward one family in particular.  I am looking for definitive information for one Charles Slingsby Wainman, b 1860-1862, son of William Wainman of Carr Head, Yorkshire and Mary Augusta O'Hanlon/Hanlan Wainman.  I have his date of birth, date and place of death/burial (which is in my hometown here in the US) - but despite following years worth of hints and loose ends, I can find nothing regarding this "Mary Augusta O'Hanlon/Hanlan" Wainman.  William Wainman, the father (and an extremely wealthy landowner in Yorkshire) died in 1872 at his estate at Over-Silton (one of at least three estates he owned)  when Charles was about 12.  That same year, a case was opened - it is held at the Kew Archives - I'm in the States and have no way to access the information but here is the case number and header:

C 16/833/W60
Short title: “In the Matter of Charles Slingsby Wainman an Infant by
Mary Augusta Wainman His Mother and Next Friend
Cause number: 1872 W60.
Documents: General summons.
Plaintiffs: Revd Thomas Atkinson and another.

Was there a question of paternity?  Was he left out of the will?  Why?  What was the outcome of the above case?

Some 12 years later, Captain Charles Slingsby Wainman had married The Honorable Dorothea Leslie, granddaughter of Sir Charles Stephen Leslie, 26th Baron of Balquhain - despite his best efforts to make a 'go' of a life and business in what was then 'frontier' North Carolina, within six years he was dead, barely into his thirties, leaving behind a wife and two little ones. 

Captain Wainman came here with - supposedly - a very large fund of money and died with less than 20 pounds sterling to his name.  He was not a spendthrift, worked exceedingly hard, was extremely well-thought of here and greatly mourned when he died.  Sad to say, he and one of the other companions who came to NC with him were duped out of their life's savings (andstupendous amounts of money -hundreds of thousands of pounds )  by a retired English Captain - a con man, who after he passed, was sued (the estate) for over 15 years by parties from Australia to Washington DC. 

I'm still left with a half dozen mysteries - and one pressing on me currently, is Charles Slingsby Wainman's mother Mary Augusta O'Hanlon Wainman - where was she from, who were her parents?  I feel she certainly must have been from some family of 'note' - nearly everyone in the Wainman lineage from around 1800 to 1880 was connected to the Peerage, M.P.'s and most were exceedingly well off.  Mary Augusta seems to have materialised out of thin air.  She died in 1888.

All the records I can find state Charles Slingsby Wainman was born in England but his death certificate states Wales.  I'm working on a history of his family and the two friends who accompanied him here - I want to be able to do justice to the memory of his wife and children - and of course, to him as well.  I'll save the other two names for a later date.   

It goes without saying that if anyone is looking for links to the Wainmans of Skipton/Yorkshire/Carr Head/Over Silton - do not hesitate to contact me - I'm happy to share.   

I hope all reading this are safe and well - what a horrid time this is.  I've taken to praying twice a day at specific times for everyone, everywhere.  In the States - things are not well; it beats any Science Fiction reading I've done in my nearly 60's years.  I have good moments.( finding this site was a treasure) and I have days where I have literally sat in a closet and cried.  As for leadership here - well, I can't begin without launching into either profanity  :-X or hysterical laughter (sometimes both) several times a day.  Our leader is a bloviating toad - and I'm being kind.  At other times, I quote William Hurt ..."I feel so much better now that I've given up hope." :-\.

Again - hoping this reaches someone who needs info - and a kind word - love to all, especially the UK - the land I wish I had been born in.   :-* :-* :-*

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Re: The Tangled Web of Wainman
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 19 April 20 15:40 BST (UK) »
Greetings, and a warm welcome to Rootschat.  Every one of us started as a newbie, so you are in good company!

To kick things off, there is a birth registration on the General Register Office (GRO) Index:
WAINMAN Charles Slingsby, Sep qtr 1861 Kensington vol 1a p117, mother's maiden name OHANLON

which leads to a marriage (on FreeBMD):
Jun qtr 1856 Portsea vol 2b p645 on same page: William WAINMAN and Mary Augusta O'HANLON

There is at least one more birth:
WAINMAN William Gordon, Mar qtr 1857 Portsea vol 2b p415, mmn O'HANLON

Which gives us on the 1861 Census (transcript on FamilySearch)
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M7KK-XB2
RG09 25/117 p11 Albion Road, Hammersmith, Kensington
WAINMAN William, head, 31, Retired Captain in Army, born Teatindly Yorkishire
WAINMAN Mary A, wife, 31, born Ireland
WAINMAN Wm G, son, 4, born Southsea Hampshire
JACKMAN Eliz, servant, 20, general servant, born Buckinghamshire.

As Irish records are patchy and many were lost in a fire, the simplest lead for Mary would be her marriage to William, the marriage certificate should give the names and occupations of the fathers.

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Re: The Tangled Web of Wainman
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 19 April 20 15:53 BST (UK) »
Welcome to rootschat

Following on from the GRO marriage reference posted by Philip, the father of Mary Augusta O'Hanlon was William O'Hanlon - Gentleman.  The marriage was by Licence 19 June 1856
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Re: The Tangled Web of Wainman
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 19 April 20 15:58 BST (UK) »
As regards the will of William WAINMAN, it was proved on 16 March 1872.  An image can be purchased from https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/#wills (cost £1.50)

I suspect the court case may be about guardianship, but without seeing the documents I cannot be sure.  A Rootschatter with more knowledge than me may be able to find out more.

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Re: The Tangled Web of Wainman
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 19 April 20 15:59 BST (UK) »
Welcome to rootschat

Following on from the GRO marriage reference posted by Philip, the father of Mary Augusta O'Hanlon was William O'Hanlon - Gentleman.  The marriage was by Licence 19 June 1856

Nice find!  That saves having to purchase a copy of the certificate.

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Re: The Tangled Web of Wainman
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 19 April 20 16:02 BST (UK) »
I have also found this though the date is 1854

Marriage date   ? ? 1854
Type   Consular/Overseas

Mary Augusta O'hanlon
Father William O'hanlon
Father's occupation   deceased esq. of Sandy Cove Dublin

Spouse's father's last name   Wainman
Spouse's father's occupation   late Major of Aldboro Hall Yorkshire
   
groom eldest son bride youngest daughter
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Re: The Tangled Web of Wainman
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 19 April 20 16:10 BST (UK) »
death reg, age is out but middle name a match
William Gordon Wainman 5 sept qtr 1861 Kensington vol 1a pg 84
Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb

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« Reply #7 on: Sunday 19 April 20 16:15 BST (UK) »
I have also found this though the date is 1854

Marriage date   ? ? 1854
Type   Consular/Overseas

Mary Augusta O'hanlon
Father William O'hanlon
Father's occupation   deceased esq. of Sandy Cove Dublin

Spouse's father's last name   Wainman
Spouse's father's occupation   late Major of Aldboro Hall Yorkshire
   
groom eldest son bride youngest daughter

It doesn't help much, but I found a reference on google to The Law Times vol 6 p 90, 8 Nov 1846:
Called to the Bar (among others) John David O'Hanlon esq. only son of William O'Hanlon of Sandy Cove-terrace in the county of Dublin esq.

This indicates (along with Rosie's finds) that William O'Hanlon was a solid citizen who must have been able to afford his son's legal training.  At that time, he would most likely have been Protestant, not Catholic.

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« Reply #8 on: Sunday 19 April 20 16:17 BST (UK) »
Manchester Courier & Lancashire General Advertiser
18th November 1854
On the 24th ult., at Malta, William Wainman, Esq., the Buffs, son  of the late Major Wainman, 14th Light Dragoons, of Woodhayes Hall, Cheshire, to Mary Augusta, daughter of the late William O'Hanlan, Esq.