Help with finding marriage record or bann

[Charchar1]

When did thomas williamson die and is there a baptism for george pigot and mary harris

[Pennines]

Just come back onto this query -- at this moment Charchar1 -- I think we would be 'jumping the gun' a bit to go straight to looking for births for George and Mary. (In my opinion anyway).

We have been finding what appears to be children of George and Mary - but not all of them yet - certainly the ones on the 1911 census registered as Williamson with a middle name of Pygott - you would THINK belong to George and Mary. Whichever child you are descended from - I would suggest you obtain a birth certificate to give you some concrete evidence.

Then we need to work carefully backwards on both families.

The number of children shown as born alive - and who have died by 1911 - we don't yet know whether it's between George and Mary -- or whether they may have combined their earlier separate families (although they shouldn't really have done that.)

Go back - census by census -- check the marriages of both parties if you can. Certificates would be good. I know they cost - but you should never assume in family history - as there is a danger of following a wrong line.

If this was my own research I would want to collect the children from every census for both potential couples - then check the GRO index as well to see who is missing - and try to find deaths.

We don't know for sure if the Mary Ann Harris/Thomas Williamson marriage is correct. Find a death for Thomas if possible. Does this then coincide with George and Mary being found together later?

More research needed yet.

[Ladyhawk]

Trying to track George back

Here he is on 1871 census

Piece:   4705 Folio:   72 Page Number:   21
84 Hardy Street Yorkshire
John Westerman   64
Ann Westerman   56
George Pykett   Boarder mar 21 Butterwick Lincolnshire  coal miner
Louisa Pykett                      18 Yorks Blackburn

Edit to add

PYKETT, JOHN  WILLIAM     mmn STRAW 
1874  S Quarter in ROTHERHAM  Volume 09C  Page 629

His death

 Jun 1876    Rotherham    9c   371
PYKETT John William   died age 1   

[Ladyhawk]

A possibility for George on 1861 and 1851 census

1861 Piece:   2401 Folio:   103 Page    8
Lincolnshire
John Pycott   45 ag lab.
Julia Pycott   39
George Pycott   12 East Butterwick, Lincolnshire
Hannah Pycott   6
Jane Pycott   4
Saml Pycott   1
All born East Butterwick, Lincolnshire

1851c Piece:   2117 Folio:   322 Page 1
Lincolnshire
John Pykit   36 ag la b
Julia Pykit   27
Geo Pykit   2 E Butterwick, Lincolnshire
Maria Pykit   1 W

Given the variations of the Pigot surname a possible marriage entry John / Julia

Jun 1843   Glanford Brigg    14   579   
CLARK    Julia          
Male names on same page
BASSENDALE    Isaac
Pigate    John   
PIHATE    John       
Rusling    Till       
SMITH    George Belter       

John Pikate
Marriage 17 May 1843 Bottesford, Lincoln
Father:   William Pikate
Spouse:   Julia Clark father Samuel

Edit to add

Here’s the full transcription of the marriage from F M P

17th May 1843 marriage solemnized by Banns in Parish of Bottesford Lincoln

John PIKATE full age bachelor , Labourer Residence Butterwick
Father William, labourer

Julia CLARK full age spinster, residence East Butterwick
father Samuel, labourer

Both John & Julia made their mark (x)

Can’t make out full names of witnesses
James M??shale (x) , Thomas ?ollans, Ann Pigate (x)
(x) made their mark

 

[Pennines]

I was under the impression that George was born in Rotherham, according to later census records -- however people quite often got their birthplace incorrect - sometimes forgetting where they were actually born!!

I am also slightly curious about Louisa's birth place -- given as Blackburn, Yorkshire? I know about Blackburn, Lancashire --(very well actually ---- as I was born there!) -- but didn't know there was a Yorkshire one.

This family are determined to make things difficult aren't they!!

[Ladyhawk]

Pennines -just rechecked 1871/81 censuses

Louisa pob looks to me to read Yorks Blackburn
(have amended my post)

George Lincoln Butterwick

Louisa pob Blackburn Yorks

George pob East Butterwick Linc

added - 1891/1901c

George Pigot pob Lincolnshire Butterwick

George Piggot pob Yks Butterwick

[Ladyhawk]

There is this baptism (P) written at the side

George PYKET 24 May 1848 Messingham Lincolnshire
John, labourer  mother Julia, abode E. Butterwick (Bottesford)

There are five other baptisms at  Messingham

surname PYKITT parents John, labourer & Julia abode E. Butterwick (Bottesford)
Anna Maria 1854, Jane  1857, Samuel Clarke 1859 and John 1861

[osprey]

the Blackburn noted as Louisa's place of birth could be Blackburn Moor in Kimberworth

https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/WRY/Rotherham/more

The adult baptism for her gives a date of birth of 8 April 1854 and there is a birth reg for
Louisa Straw june qtr 1854 Rotherham vol 9 pg 412 mmn Taylor
Possible marriage William Straw dec qtr 1849 Rotherham vol 22 pg 495 with Sarah Taylor on the same page
1851 census (horrible copy!) Tinsley Road, Attercliife HO107/2342 folio 493 pg 15
William Straw visitor mar 20 engine tenter b. Attercliffe
Sarah visitor mar 18 b. Attercliffe

1861 Psalters Lane, Kimberworth RG9/3507 folio 71 pg 24
William Straw head mar 30 engine tenter b. Attercliffe
Sarah wife 29 b. Darnall
Susan dau 7 b. Blackburn
Think that Susan is enumerator's error for Louisa, there isn't another occurrence of Susan Straw in bmds or census that would match.

death reg for Sarah Straw 35 dec qtr 1867 Rotherham vol 9c pg 310

William remarried in Attercliffe 13 April 1868
William Straw 36 widower engine tenter Attercliffe Common father Jno? miner
Anne Liversidge 25 spinster Attercliffe Common father Samuel miner

1871 Hasland, Derbyshire RG10/3613 folio 12 pg 15
William J Straw head mar engine wright b. Sheffield
Ann wife 39 b. Sheffield
Lilly dau 4 b. Greasbrough  (birth reg dec qtr Rotherham mmn Taylor)
John son 3 b. Greasbrough  (birth reg march qtr 1868 Rotherham mmn Liversidge)
Oliver dau 7 months b. Hasland (birth reg Olive sept qtr 1870 Chesterfield mmn Liversidge)
Benjamin Staniforth nephew 18 engine tenter at colliery b. Kimberworth

back in Kimberworth for 1881
54 Harrison St RG11/4677 folio 69 pg 7
William Straw head mar 50 engine tenter at iron works b. Attercliffe Common
Ann wife 39 b. Darnall
John son 12 b. Rotherham
William E son 7 b. Derbyshire, Hasland
Lois E dau 5 b. Hasland
Martha dau 3 b. Holmes, Rotherham

[CaroleW]

Another post here going over the same ground apparently

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=829328.new#new