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Re: Bigamy?
« Reply #36 on: Thursday 30 July 20 10:59 BST (UK) »
St Charles' Hospital is in North Kensington, London. .
 The foundation stone for the hospital was laid in 1879 and it was officially opened by the Prince and Princess of Wales as the St Marylebone Union Infirmary in 1881.
This hospital is still up and running, is in London W10 and is not near Marylebone, more like Notting hill/Kensington, it has connections now with St Mary's hospital Praed St, off Edgware Road,
It was always known as a hospital you went into and didn't come out, fortunately when my father was in this hospital he didn't know it but he didn't come out

R Holland could be a hospital official, doe sit give his/her position, I assume tht this person was responsible for organising  her funeral

Louisa Maud

PS, Elizabeth Allum should be on electoral registers if anyone can access them for 1926/1927 and 1928 at Daventry Street, I am not sure where NW1 was

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« Reply #37 on: Thursday 30 July 20 11:08 BST (UK) »
Thanks, Louisa Maud.  But R Holland lived at Elizabeth's address - so perhaps a landlord?  Or maybe some sort of care home employee, where Elizabeth was before going into hospital?  Or Elizabeth's latest partner?  But that wording sounds too official to be a partner?

I can't gain anything from present-day streetview of Daventry Street - I think it's been redeveloped since 1927.

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« Reply #38 on: Thursday 30 July 20 11:13 BST (UK) »
I am not sure but it might be in St Pancras area, I can't find her listed there , the only one I have found is Belmont St with  George Allum


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Garner, Marylebone Paddington  Northolt Ilford
Garner, Devon
Garner New Zealand
Maddieson
Parkinson St Pancras,
Jenkins Marylebone Paddington
Mizon/Mison/Myson Paddington
Tindal Marylebone Paddington
Tocock, (name changed to Ellis) London
Southam Marylebone, Paddington
Bragg Lambeth 1800's
Edermaniger(Maniger) Essex Kent Canada (Toronto)
Coveney Kent Lambeth
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« Reply #39 on: Thursday 30 July 20 11:25 BST (UK) »
Daventry Street is still there, in Marylebone - it's very near York Street, where Elizabeth and William Allum were in 1911.  This further makes me think I've got the right death.

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« Reply #40 on: Thursday 30 July 20 12:14 BST (UK) »
He was Richard Holland
London Electoral Registers (on Ancestry)
1927
Westminster, St Marylebone
Daventry Street No 3
Allum Elizabeth (Mrs)
Cullen Amy (Mrs)
Ellis Minnie (Mrs)
Hamilton Henry (abode 5 Howley Place, Paddington W2)
Hamilton James Payton (abode 64 Maldon Road, Acton W3)
Hamilton May (abode 64 Maldon Road, Acton W3)
Holland Richard
Rhind Louisa (Mrs)
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« Reply #41 on: Thursday 30 July 20 16:34 BST (UK) »
Thanks, Comberton.
So a house of multiple occupation - that fits with Elizabeth being a widow on her own, and probably more or less unknown to the other occupants; at least in terms of details about her life, eg husband's first name and occupation, which were not disclosed on the death certificate.

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« Reply #42 on: Wednesday 18 August 21 15:57 BST (UK) »
UPDATE!

Further to ancestry.co.uk working their way through the London marriage registers - I have found another marriage for Elizabeth Mountain - to Edward Ware on 7 October 1886.  Elizabeth, again gives her father as "William Mountain, Station Master", and the signatures match.

Following this, the mysterious "Mr Pearce" is identified (Elizabeth married her last husband as "Elizabeth Pearce, Widow").  Elizabeth Ware, Widow, married Kenneth Hamilton Pearce on 24 December 1897.  Again, her father is "William Mountain, Station Master (retired)".  Unfortunately, this one is not on ancestry, yet, so I've had to buy the certificate and of course it is not her original signature to compare.

Edward Ware started divorce proceedings in July 1890 against Elizabeth and John Le Bos (co-respondent).  I don't think a divorce was granted, however - I can't find any reference to it in the newspapers.  Six months later Edward was prosecuted for taking a friend round to Elizabeth's house and assaulting her.  The only John Le Bos I can find is someone from Jersey?

Kenneth Pearce was admitted to a private asylum in 1901, and later emigrated to Australia, where he died in 1920.

I think Edward Ware (born 1860 in Bermondsey), later lived with a woman called Florence Golby in Sheffield.  I cannot find him after the 1911 Census, when he is at 23 Sambourne (or Lambourne) Square, Sheffield.

I am now investigating a possible 6th marriage - to James Duke, registered in the June quarter 1886 at Pancras - the same year she married Edward Ware.

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« Reply #43 on: Wednesday 18 August 21 16:11 BST (UK) »
I am now investigating a possible 6th marriage - to James Duke, registered in the June quarter 1886 at Pancras - the same year she married Edward Ware.

I think the marriages listed are register offices marriages, ref 1b 258,  I can't find it  on Ancestry  so  far

Did you find Elizabeth on 1911?


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Granath Sweden and London
Garner, Marylebone Paddington  Northolt Ilford
Garner, Devon
Garner New Zealand
Maddieson
Parkinson St Pancras,
Jenkins Marylebone Paddington
Mizon/Mison/Myson Paddington
Tindal Marylebone Paddington
Tocock, (name changed to Ellis) London
Southam Marylebone, Paddington
Bragg Lambeth 1800's
Edermaniger(Maniger) Essex Kent Canada (Toronto)
Coveney Kent Lambeth
Sondes kent and London

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« Reply #44 on: Monday 30 August 21 11:27 BST (UK) »
Did you find Elizabeth on 1911?

Yes, William and Elizabeth Allum are at 88 York Street.  This was her longest marriage, lasting ten years until William's death later in 1911.