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William HAMER, born 1839, Sutton Coldfield, Warks.
« on: Tuesday 21 April 20 14:52 BST (UK) »
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On 21/12/1857 William HAMER married Anne JONES in St. Phillip, Birmingham......she had been born in 1835 in Aberystwyth.   Her father, Richard JONES was a butcher.   She died in the first quarter of 1869 in Caernavon aged 37.

In 1870 he re-married in Caernavon, his new wife Emma JONES, born 1841 also in Aberystwyth....no other details.

I am trying to establish whether or not the wives were actually sisters.   Can anyone help please?

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Re: William HAMER, born 1839, Sutton Coldfield, Warks.
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 21 April 20 16:09 BST (UK) »
Can I just mention for anyone searching --- that the filmed record of the marriage of William Hamer and Anne Jones is on the Ancestry website.

HER father is actually WILLIAM Jones, a Butcher. (It's the groom's father who is named Richard).
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Re: William HAMER, born 1839, Sutton Coldfield, Warks.
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 21 April 20 16:23 BST (UK) »
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I am trying to establish whether or not the wives were actually sisters.

Marriage certificate in due course will see if they had the same fathers names so you can check further.
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Re: William HAMER, born 1839, Sutton Coldfield, Warks.
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 21 April 20 16:24 BST (UK) »
There is a William Jones, Butcher in Aberystwyth in 1841 - aged 45 (rounded down) - he has several children including an 'Ann' and an Emma.

However the girls ages don't match the ones given -- so it may not be the correct family.
Ann is shown as 11 and Emma as 4. So may be just a coincidence.

Ref HO107/1372/3
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Re: William HAMER, born 1839, Sutton Coldfield, Warks.
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 21 April 20 17:13 BST (UK) »
death reg for Emma Hamer 36 sept qtr 1875 Carnarvon vol 11b pg 316a
Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb

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Re: William HAMER, born 1839, Sutton Coldfield, Warks.
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 21 April 20 17:25 BST (UK) »
So unless Anne and Emma had been understating their age -- it's not the same family in 1841. Just a coincidence with the place, the names and the father's occupation.

Jones is such a difficult name to research in Wales!
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Re: William HAMER, born 1839, Sutton Coldfield, Warks.
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 21 April 20 18:43 BST (UK) »
the death notice for Ann gives her age as 37 in December 1869

https://newspapers.library.wales/view/3038921/3038925/89/

Possible baptism in St Michael's Aberystwyth 11 May 1830 for Ann daughter of William, butcher, and Jane of Little Dark Gate St. Also Mary Ann on that day to same parents which would be family with 4 year old Emma in 1841.
Emma was baptised 18 Sept 1836, same parents, of Pier Street.

Only one William Jones, butcher, in an 1844 directory.

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Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb

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Re: William HAMER, born 1839, Sutton Coldfield, Warks.
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 21 April 20 19:26 BST (UK) »
Wow Osprey I am really impressed with that piece of research.

I was quite thrilled about finding that entry in 1841 -- but you have put that right in the shade!!

The wife of William in 1841 was indeed called Jane.
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Re: William HAMER, born 1839, Sutton Coldfield, Warks.
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 21 April 20 20:40 BST (UK) »
Sorry about my delay in responding!!   But I couldn't interrupt the 4 hour "bio" of Joe COCKER"  downloaded from SKY Arts 8) ::)

Thank you for answering my enquiry......I am delighted and very grateful, as will be the descendant with whom I am discussing William HAMER's slight brush with the law in 1856.   Now everything falls very neatly into place: even allowing for Victorian "time-keeping"!!

For the moment,

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