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Margaret Louise Gulliver
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 22 April 20 17:04 BST (UK) »
Who is she and who were her parents? You seem to have them as Thomas Molesdale and Louisa Margaret Saunders. Weird! There's no Gulliver in the marriage!?
The rest of the entry, though fascinating , is very difficult to decipher.
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Re: Margaret Louise Gulliver
« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 22 April 20 23:31 BST (UK) »
Who is she and who were her parents? You seem to have them as Thomas Molesdale and Louisa Margaret Saunders. Weird! There's no Gulliver in the marriage!?
The rest of the entry, though fascinating , is very difficult to decipher.

I don’t quite understand your post.

She is the wife of George Angus Gulliver, mother of Gwendoline. Her name on the headstone indicates that she was known as Louisa. She was born Margaret Louisa. Whoever gave the information upon her death for registration, obviously didn’t know the correct name of her mother.

There is a death of a child reported in Bendigo in 1986, with father Thomas Mousdale: 2nd column:
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article88918514

Marriage:
2683/1874 MOULSDALE Thomas to SAUNDERS Frances

Deaths:
17166/1889 MOULSDALE Fanny parents COE Eliza and SAUNDERS Jas, KAMAROOKA aged 32
Possible: 14900/1929 MOULSDALE Thomas parents CHERRY Ann and MOULSDALE William, LEONGATHA age 76

Children born to mother as Frances/Fanny SANDERS/SAUNDERS, father Thomas MOULSDALE born

11584/1875 Frances Eliza Ma died 4652/1892

3379/1877 Mary Isabella died 9270/1888

24004/1879 Margret Louisa

10380/1881 Ada Rachel

24289/1883 Ethel Jane - died unmarried 33851/1960

17872/1884 Thomas James died 11296/1888 (Mouldsdale)

19326/1886 William Arthur died 4060/1887

12567/1888 Richard Edward died 504/1917 age 28  - There is a probate file to view on PROV
Buried: Coburg Pine Ridge Cemetery Church Of England P Plot 91694
Married: 9151/1909 MOULSDALE Richd Edwd to WHITHAM, Margt Ann
Children:
17207/1910 Richd Danl Thos died 22405/1963
9765/1919 Hetta Hornage

White Hills Cemetery
SECTION Mon L2
GRAVE NUMBER 10526
Moulsdale, Mary J August 11 1888
Moulsdale, Thomas J August 21 1888
Moulsdale, Fanny November 22 1889

Leongatha Cemetery ANG J 032
17-October-1929
Moulsdale Thomas 76

18-February-1946
Moulsdale Esther 79

I can see Esther’s birth and death - she was Esther Cecila NORTON, but I can’t see a NORTON marriage for her.

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Re: Gwendoline Violet Gulliver
« Reply #11 on: Thursday 23 April 20 03:45 BST (UK) »
Parents of Thomas and his brothers Richard and William who were born UK, in VIC.

Sep 1848 Wirral 19 273
MOULSDALE William   
CHERRY ANN

Possible 2nd marriage VIC: 2747/1877 MOULSDALE William to BELL, Ann

Death VIC:

4848/1861 MOULSDALE Ann mother Margaret father CHERRY Richard born CHESHIRE age 33

Possible deaths: 17534/1889 MOULSDALE William father Thomas EAST MELBOURNE age 64 - You can read his inquest on PROV. Wife Ann says he has 5 children from a previous marriage, so I think it is the correct William.
1662/1919 MOULSDALE Ann age 80 buried Coburg Pine Ridge Cemetery Methodist B with a Joseph Henry BELL

Children:    

MOULSDALE, RICHARD  EARL mmn CHERRY 
GRO Reference: 1849  S Quarter in WIRRAL UNION  Volume 19  Page 301
Married: 5334/1897 MOULSDALE Richd Earl to RULE Jessie Emma
Died: 3409/1922 MOULSDALE Richard Earl age 72
12455/1929 MOULSDALE Jessie Emma age 70

MOULSDALE, MARY  ANN mmn CHERRY 
GRO Reference: 1851  J Quarter in WIRRAL  Volume 19  Page 402
Married: 2274/1872 BAWDEN Zaccheus to MOULSDALE Mary Ann
Died: 5010/1944 BAWDEN Mary Ann age 93
5356/1913 BAWDEN Zaccheus age 66

MOULSDALE, THOMAS mmn CHERRY 
GRO Reference: 1853  D Quarter in WIRRAL  Volume 08A  Page 346

They are in Australia by 1859:

19516/1859 Margaret

2953/1860 Margaret

8424/1861 Edward
Married: 3495/1887 MOULSDALE Edward to JAMES Jane
Died NSW: 5853/1920 MOULSDALE Edward parents WILLIAM and ANN at NARRANDERA
22801/1937 MOULSDALE Jane parents WILLIAM and MARY ANN at GRIFFITH

Birth of William McDonald Moulsdale between 1853-1859 not found.
Married: 1140/1881 MOULSDALE William McDonald to WILLIAMS Emily Ann
Died: 2082/1933 MOULSDALE William McDonald age 76
8493/1923 MOULSDALE Emily Ann age 62

Arrived:

28   12   NOV   230   NUGGET   1856    MOULSDALE, ANN

5   12   NOV   230   NUGGET   1856  MOULSDALE, MARY ANN

2   12   NOV   230   NUGGET   1856    MOULSDALE, THOMAS

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Re: Gwendoline Violet Gulliver
« Reply #12 on: Thursday 23 April 20 04:02 BST (UK) »
Quite a rare name.

On my extended line here is my only evidence of that name. John Gulliver married Mary Cawthorn
Christmas Day 1838, Llanfoist, Monmouthshire, ENGLAND.

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Re: Gwendoline Violet Gulliver
« Reply #13 on: Thursday 23 April 20 14:14 BST (UK) »
UK marriage:

Jun 1854 Wisbeach 3b 879
SAUNDERS James
COE Eliza

Deaths: I can’t find their deaths on VICBDM, but their PROV entries give death dates.
James left everything to Eliza - James SAUNDERS Date of grant: 01 Feb 1889; Date of death: 11 Feb 1887; Occupation: Farmer; Residence: East Shelbourne
Eliza - left everything to son Frederick - 121/252 Eliza SAUNDERS Date of grant: 04 Sep 1911; Date of death: 28 Mar 1907; Occupation: Widow; Residence: E Melbourne

Children:

SAUNDERS, FRANCES  ANN mmn COE died 1857
GRO Reference: 1855  S Quarter in WISBECH UNION  Volume 03B  Page 378

SAUNDERS, FANNY mmn COE
GRO Reference: 1857  S Quarter in WISBECH UNION  Volume 03B  Page 558

SAUNDERS, ANN mmn COE died 1859
GRO Reference: 1859  J Quarter in WISBECH  Volume 03B  Page 634

SAUNDERS, ANN mmn COE died 1860
GRO Reference: 1860  J Quarter in WISBECH  Volume 03B  Page 612

SAUNDERS, ANN mmn COE 
GRO Reference: 1861  D Quarter in WISBECH  Volume 03B  Page 562

19/1864 SAUNDERS John William Coldstream At Sea On Board " Coldstream "
Marriage: 4014/1891 SAUNDERS Jno Wm Coldstream to PHILLIPS Elizth
Death: 13394/1921 SAUNDERS John William Coldstream at CAVENDISH age 56 - Probate can be read on PROV
16881/1953 SAUNDERS Elizabeth at HAMILTON age 83
Children: 36412/1892 Jas Wm (died 18975/1969); 32944/1894 Chas Neville (died 15384/1981); 14418/1897 Harold Jno (died 7492/1961); 13682/1899 Hilda Muriel (died 9 Jun 1990 surname JOHNSON); 22604/1900 Amy Sarah (married 1923 BOYLE); 13602/1903 Herbt Alfd (died 6549/1980); 6262/1906 Leonard Hugh (died 5902/1912); 14748/1908 Ada Elizth (married VIC, died SA 14-08-1983 surname BOYLE, buried with husband Walter at, Carinya Gardens Cemetery - Mount Gambier)

15665/1866 Charles Nathaniel died 21603/1948
Married: 4254/1890 WILD Margt
Children: 31975/1890 Thos Arth (died 8857/1915); 12954/1892 Ruth Elizth (married NSW 1908, died VIC 1404/1921 as MCCANN); 20219/1894 Rachel Fanny (married VIC 1909 died NSW 16608/1928 as MCCANN); 14418/1897 Harold Jno(died 16766/1971 ); 25960/1898 Ruby Louisa (married NSW 1923 died NSW 47633/1972 as CARVOSOE); 2885/1901 Marguerite Helena (married VIC 1917 died 17345/1986 as DUNSTALL); NSW birth: 12715/1905 Ivy M (married VIC 1928 died 22750/1977 as SMITH); NSW birth: 34696/1907 Oliver C (died VIC 9651/1984); an online tree claims that there is also a son who was born in 1922 Sydney Lawrence, died 1911: https://www.weeklytimesnow.com.au/tributes/notice/funeral-notices/saunders-sydney-lawrence/3383859/

3240/1869 Arthur Fletcher died 18173/1946 Kangaroo Flat Cemetery Methodist Grave 4602
Married: 6193/1898 WILD Etty died 22959/1954 Kangaroo Flat Cemetery Methodist
Children: NSW births: 4822/1897 (WILD) Mabely A M (married VIC 1165/1919 LANGSTON. An online tree has her death as July 04, 2000 (103) Santa Clara, California, United States); 14299/1900 Ellen M (unmarried, died VIC 10157/1989 Kangaroo Flat Cemetery Lawn 17 Grave 5748); 23775/1902 Henry A; 5342/1906 Eliza O (married 18672/1941 and died VIC as Olive, died 13373/1974 as DOBBIN Kangaroo Flat Cemetery - Olive and husband Robert - Lawn J Grave 5385); 5683/1909 William E H; VIC births: 28004/1911 Fredk Thos; 21473/1914 Winnie Elizth (looks like she married cousin Oliver C Saunders, married 4867/1943 died 10115/1982 as SAUNDERS. Headstone photo: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/209014944/oliver-charles-saunders); 11494/1917 Leslie Jno (died 524/1980 Kangaroo Flat Cemetery Lawn 17 Grave 5748)

3448/1871 Alfred Maurice died 1872

3451/1873 Mary Ellen died 18132/1946 COUSINS Mary Ellen Eddington Cemetery https://billiongraves.com/grave/Ellen-Cousins/2852395
Married: 7492/1889 COUSINS Jos
Children: 14605/1890 Sarah Eliza Ellen (married 3749/1911 died 15474/1970 as GRYLLS. Eddington Cemetery https://billiongraves.com/supporting-record/Sarah-Grylls/99950582); 34692/1891 Jos (died 16214/1891); 14436/1893 Isabella; 7536/1895 Olive (married 2344/1921 died 14120/1977 as HEPBURN)

10100/1875 Alfred Ophia died 1875

24270/1876 Frederick James died 22140/1947
Married: 9592/1912 KING Sarah Selina died 9297/1930
Child: 28985/1916 Lucilla Agnes Jane married 18489/1947 HYNAM Arthur Leslie
HYNAM Lucilla Agnes Jane (Lucy) Death notice 29 Mar 2011 Death 94 at Bendigo Hospital Bendigo Advertiser 30 Mar 2011
21929/1969 HYNAM Arthur Leslie
Both at: Kangaroo Flat Cemetery Lawn C Grave 5216

10453/1882 Rachel died 1882

VIC arrival:
41 14 MAR 280 COLDSTREAM 1864 SAUNDERS, JAMES
29 14 MAR 280 COLDSTREAM 1864 SAUNDERS, ELIZA
6 14   MAR   280 COLDSTREAM 1864 SAUNDERS, FANNY
2 14   MAR   280 COLDSTREAM 1864 SAUNDERS, ANN
I 14   MAR   280 COLDSTREAM 1864 SAUNDERS, JOHN W C

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Margaret Louise Gulliver
« Reply #14 on: Thursday 23 April 20 15:37 BST (UK) »
Deaths 1952: Margaret Louise Gulliver, Jamjar says her parents were Thomas Molesdale  and Louisa Margaret Saunders?!
Where does the surname Gulliver come from?
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Re: Margaret Louise Gulliver
« Reply #15 on: Thursday 23 April 20 15:51 BST (UK) »
Deaths 1952: Margaret Louise Gulliver, Jamjar says her parents were Thomas Molesdale  and Louisa Margaret Saunders?!
Where does the surname Gulliver come from?

GULLIVER is her married name, she was born MOLESDALE.

She married George Angus GULLIVER.

1649/1901 GULLIVER George Angus to MOULSDALE Louisa

Birth: 24004/1879 MOULSDALE Margret Louisa mother SANDERS Frances father MOULSDALE Thomas at KAMAROOKA

Her death: 16643/1952 GULLIVER Margaret Louise mother SAUNDERS (née) Louisa Margaret father MOLEDALE Thomas born BENDIGO died MORDIALLOC aged 71

She is the mother of Gwendoline:

29613/1918 GULLIVER Gwendoline Violet mother GULLIVER Louisa Margaret (née MOULSDALE) father GULLIVER, George Angus MORDIALLOC

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Re: Margaret Louise Gulliver
« Reply #16 on: Thursday 23 April 20 22:41 BST (UK) »
Who is she and who were her parents? You seem to have them as Thomas Molesdale and Louisa Margaret Saunders. Weird! There's no Gulliver in the marriage!?
The rest of the entry, though fascinating , is very difficult to decipher.
And

Deaths 1952: Margaret Louise Gulliver, Jamjar says her parents were Thomas Molesdale  and Louisa Margaret Saunders?!
Where does the surname Gulliver come from?

I  notice that the topic heading has changed  :)  from the Opening Post...

Good practice in family history extends to obtaining certificates.  The quality and quantity of family history included in the Victoria BDM digitised images is outstanding, Perhaps better than images from Scotlands People.  I recommend checking out the Vic Resources listed at RChats Australia  Resources Board's Victoria sub-board.   NSW resources are at NSW sub-board.

Jamjar had  kindly provided the reference numbers for the bdm events noted in the replies, not just Vic but NSW, and England etc.  Also Jamjar  included the migration info, again that is significant  historic records for Australian research, the actual records can include several generations data ... names of parents of immigrants,  birth places, occupations...

I see our OP has been online since Jamjar replied, but perhaps has not noticed Jamjar's post explaining who was Margaret Louise GULLIVER,  :)   :) as the change to the topic heading does not go back to the opening post.  I think the 24 hour '"rule" may restrict that. 

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Re: Gwendoline Violet Gulliver
« Reply #17 on: Friday 24 April 20 20:48 BST (UK) »
I was thoroughly confused by all replies as the layout of same is difficult to interpret. I am enormously grateful for all the work that has gone into answering my initial question.
Gordon, Lenham,  Lyne, Miles, Smith, Miskin, Beaufort, Morley,