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Can anybody find a marriage between Fanny Lucas & Henry Morgan?
« on: Friday 24 April 20 23:07 BST (UK) »
I have also posted this on the Lancashire board

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=829551.new#new

I have all other info on this couple except a marriage.  Both were born in Monmouthshire but all 3 of their children were born in Liverpool between 1868-1874.  Henry died in Liverpool 1879

In 1861 Fanny was still in Usk Monmouthshire

Fanny is shown as Frances Lucas on the 1841 census but on all later censuses and on her re-marriage in 1886 & 1906 death reg she is Fanny

She re-married 1886 to Hugh McClements and is shown as a widow on the marriage cert

I am beginning to think they never married
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Re: Can anybody find a marriage between Fanny Lucas & Henry Morgan?
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 25 April 20 02:18 BST (UK) »
Maybe the children's baptism records would state whether the parents were actually married .

What are their names and birthdays ?
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Re: Can anybody find a marriage between Fanny Lucas & Henry Morgan?
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 25 April 20 03:50 BST (UK) »
I only found a Henry Morgan marrying an Amelia Lucas
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September 1851

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Re: Can anybody find a marriage between Fanny Lucas & Henry Morgan?
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 25 April 20 07:49 BST (UK) »
From GRO Index-
Amy Morgan Dec 1868. Liverpool . Mmn Lucas

From Family Search
Baptised 29 November 1868. St Peter and St Nicholas. Liverpool. Parents Henry Morgan and Fanny

No indication in baptism register that they were not married. Amy born 11 November. Living in Clare Street.


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Re: Can anybody find a marriage between Fanny Lucas & Henry Morgan?
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 25 April 20 11:58 BST (UK) »
Hi

Yes - that’s what I came up with.  They had 2 daughters and a son - all baptised.  Daughters births were registered but not son’s - mmn Lucas

I just need the marriage cert to confirm if Henry’s father is Charles - 1841 entry??

Either they didn’t marry or the entry is somewhere in cyberspace ???

I even wondered if Fanny was previously married then married Henry - but I can’t find any Henry Morgan marriage to a Fanny or Frances that makes that possible.  Fanny was single in 1861
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Re: Can anybody find a marriage between Fanny Lucas & Henry Morgan?
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 25 April 20 13:27 BST (UK) »
Have you followed up the Ancestry record of their marriage and children? (I don't have access to Ancestry and the google link came back as 'page no longer available').
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Re: Can anybody find a marriage between Fanny Lucas & Henry Morgan?
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 25 April 20 16:50 BST (UK) »
Hi

There is no Ancestry record.  No marriage on either freebmd/Ancestry/LancsBMD/FamilySearch or anywhere else I can see.

I was desperately hoping that a fresh pair of eyes might find them - or that somebody had some local records that weren't online

The only census I know for sure that Henry is on is 1871 - he died 1879.  Unfortunately it just shows Monmouthshire as his birthplace and there are 4 x 1841 possibilities.  As Fanny was from Usk I am favouring that 1841 entry - parents Charles & Elizabeth.   In 1851 he is shown as b Landany & in 1861 Gwehellog?

If I could find a marriage and confirm his father was Charles - then I would know I have the right family
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Re: Can anybody find a marriage between Fanny Lucas & Henry Morgan?
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 26 April 20 12:17 BST (UK) »
On  the 1871 Census, living with the family is Henry M Daniels nephew born 1847 Monmouthshire. He was born in what is probably Langstone according to other censuses in which he is listed.There is a Henry M Daniels baptised in Langstone 26 Jul 1847 to a Daniel (a miller) and Jane Daniel. Daniel Daniels married Jane Mogan  Dec 1843 Reg Dist Newport  26 111. Jane Morgan is likley to be your Henry's sister, so if you can't find Henry Morgan's mariage to Fanny, try looking at Jane & Daniel Daniels's marriage to confirm Jane & Henry Morgan's father.

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Re: Can anybody find a marriage between Fanny Lucas & Henry Morgan?
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 26 April 20 12:33 BST (UK) »
The 1843 marriage is on FindMyPast  - The couple married at Malpas , Monmouthshire - Jane's residence was Malpas and Daniels was Langstone.  Both of Full Age Her father is listed as John Morgan - Famer

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