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Ellen Collier
« on: Saturday 25 April 20 08:49 BST (UK) »
I am seeking information on Ellen Collier B 1888 Reading shown as 13 years old on 1901 Census with her grandmother Phoebe Phillips (was a Collier but remarried) in Lambeth .Closest I can find is Nellie Collier Jun 1889 Newbury 2c 246 mother Collins (?). Trying to establish her parents if I can. Thank You David

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Re: Ellen Collier
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 25 April 20 09:11 BST (UK) »
you woul need to track phoebe back to find adult children.
newbury wouldnt cover a reading birth.

no age, birthplace, date/place  of name change given for phoebe

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Re: Ellen Collier
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 25 April 20 09:17 BST (UK) »
There is a marriage on which these two names show...

Leonard John Collier and on same page Mary Eliza Collins in Newbury reg dist 1888.

  Leonard Mary and 2 year old Nellie  appear on 1891 census as a family .

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Liscoe -all
Green/Simpson/Underwood-Beds
Walker/Foulkes/Fookes/Fooks/Hedges/Lamborne-Bucks.
Stanton/Pattrick/Cooper/Fitzjohn/Holland/Spalding-London
 Rewallin/Underwood -Devon
 Casbolt-London/Cambridge
 Favell/Favel - Lincs-Beds

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Re: Ellen Collier
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 25 April 20 09:29 BST (UK) »
The names Leonard Collier and Mary Eliza Collins on same page of marriage register June 1888 Newbury.
Daughter Nellie with her parents in 1891 and 1901.

Does not automatically eliminate her as yours. Not been unknown for parents to include a child who normally resided with them but was actually elsewhere on census night.

PS  I see Tazzie has beaten me to it


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Re: Ellen Collier
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 25 April 20 09:42 BST (UK) »
Phoebe Ashley b 1838 married William Collier 6 Apr 1856 in Chelsea.
She had 4 sons Thomas Christopher 1858 Oxford   Edward Joseph Ashley Collier 1860 Wandsworth
William Robert Collier 1867 died 1876 John Samuel Collier 1870 Oxford
William Collier died 2nd Q 1871 age 45. Phoebe remarried before the 1891 to William Phillips
 
 I have tried to find the spouses and the children of Thomas, Edward & John with some success(?)
 I think that Thomas married Mary Martha Bailey.Children Emily, Florence,Hubert, John
 Edward married Elizabeth Ford children Winifred, Beatrice, Alfred, Herbert, Wilfred, Percy
 Still looking for John Samuel spouse & children
 IF there was an 'Ellen' Collier then she should be a child of one of these.
 Thanks again everyone for all your help. David

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Re: Ellen Collier
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 25 April 20 09:46 BST (UK) »
No daughters to phoebe?
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Re: Ellen Collier
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 25 April 20 10:10 BST (UK) »
Found this....

  Mary Ann Ellen Collier bapt Sept 1856 St Pancras Old Church.
  Father William Collier mother Phoebe.

  Same family?
  Tazzie
Liscoe -all
Green/Simpson/Underwood-Beds
Walker/Foulkes/Fookes/Fooks/Hedges/Lamborne-Bucks.
Stanton/Pattrick/Cooper/Fitzjohn/Holland/Spalding-London
 Rewallin/Underwood -Devon
 Casbolt-London/Cambridge
 Favell/Favel - Lincs-Beds

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Re: Ellen Collier
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 25 April 20 10:21 BST (UK) »
Phoebe had 3 daughters Mary Ann Collier 1856 St Pancras , Sarah Amelia Collier 1862 Kensington Emily Ashley Collier 1865 Christchurch Surrey. There is a connection with Barges/Narrow Boats & canals hence the births in different locations. Phoebe (widow) in 1871 census with family on "The Susan" Banbury. 

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Re: Ellen Collier
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 25 April 20 10:25 BST (UK) »
Tazzie, Yes I believe same family..see my post on daughters..so the name Ellen is part of Mary Ann ELLEN Collier name...Thank you . , David