Margaret Keating Acheson

[oldohiohome]

They are all Irish names. For example, on Griffith's Valuation of Ireland, the names Hendren and Carroll occur together in Antrim, Armagh, and Belfast City. Her family had left Ireland by then though, so these locations might not help.

(Pronounce Hendren with an Irish accent and you get Henderhen. Like Rocky Road to "Dubalin". Or my grandfather's "Ballinatore" for "Ballintur". )

On the other hand, if her parents were both from one of those areas then it might be Patrick's family who are from Tipperary. Lots of Keatings in Tipperary on Griffiths. 225 families, more than 2x as many as anywhere else.

Your next stop is the censuses in that part of Illinois for Margaret's family. If she was really 27 in 1879, then she might have arrived with her parents.

Edited to add: because she would have married Patrick when only 17-18 or so. On the other hand, if she married on arrival she might have been on her own.

And for Patrick's family in Illinois also. The Thomas Keating in the household in 1870 is too old to be Patrick's child. He might be his brother, and he-Thomas-was born in Illinois.

The stop after that is Manchester births.

I hope to get back to this, but it won't be until late today, and maybe not even then.

[oldohiohome]

The family appears to be transcribed as Ceating or Craling in the 1870 census - https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M6HC-ZXC

This appears to be the marriage of Ellen to John Daley in 1879.
It appears Ellen's given name was "Helena".

Marriage: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QK9L-SXBH

Both amazing finds!

1.Keating gave me the most trouble of any Irish name I have worked on. I should have been looking for terrible misspellings.

2. A marriage record from the US in 1879 with parents' names and a birthplace. There aren't too many of them around.

[Bellevue]

2. A marriage record from the US in 1879 with parents' names and a birthplace. There aren't too many of them around.

Yes, it a great find. Thanks again to all involved.

This record allows me to concentrate on the husband (Patrick Keating) as the probable connection into my tree.

[shellyesq]

There's an Ellen Daly in the Madison Co. Probate index, but no further detail - https://www.cyberdriveillinois.com/departments/archives/databases/madison.html

[oldohiohome]

Something must have happened to Ellen's husband. She is remarried in 1880 census to a John Daly/Daley. ...

1880 census: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MXVG-RLC

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Something must have happened between 1880-1883. The 3 children were appointed a guardian

Alton Telegraph
Alton, Illinois
Tuesday, December 18, 1883 - Page 4

Clip: https://www.newspapers.com/clip/49569921/alton-telegraph/

For anyone later on who is working on Ellen's family:
The 1880 census of the John Daly family shows there is a Joseph Hines, 52, widowed, retired, suffering from paralysis, in the same house, but different household. The sponsors at the baptism of Ellen's daughter Margaret were Joseph and Eleanora Hins.

In Joseph Hines's own household are James, 30, and Ellen O'Connell, 23, niece and "nephew-in-law".  The guardian for Ellen's children in 1883 was a James O'Connor. It could be the same person.

And I wonder if Eleanora Hines was Helena Hendren remarried. I think you can use your parents as godparents to your children, but I'm not sure.

[RJ137]

There's an Ellen Daly in the Madison Co. Probate index, but no further detail - https://www.cyberdriveillinois.com/departments/archives/databases/madison.html

According to Probate records, Ellen died 28 January 1883.

Bottom page 9 (image 30)

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939V-WQ99-W4?i=29&wc=SFKT-DPX%3A162588001%2C162846701&cc=1834344

more bit & pieces from probate of the estate

page 19 (image 35), page 239 (image 146)

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If we can narrow down when Patrick died?

[oldohiohome]

... For example, on Griffith's Valuation of Ireland, the names Hendren and Carroll occur together in Antrim, Armagh, and Belfast City. Her family had left Ireland by then though, so these locations might not help.en only 17-18 or so. On the other hand, if she married on arrival she might have been on her own...

I looked for these names separately. There are no Hendren families on Griffiths in Tipperary, but there are 507 Carroll families. Again, more than 2x as many as the next nearest county.
So you might not have eliminated Ellen Carroll as the link to your family. You'd have to take a look at her parents and see if they had children born before her and born in Ireland. If they did, then they likely came from the same area of Ireland, and that would probably eliminate them.
If they met and married in Manchester, then James Carroll could have come from Tipperary.

the site to look for surnames on Griffiths is https://www.johngrenham.com/surnames/

And then, they had left Ireland before Griffiths anyway, so that might affect things also.

[Bellevue]

If we can narrow down when Patrick died?
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Must be between 1871 (birth of son William) and 1879 (remarriage of wife)

Thanks for the probate find. Great stuff !

[oldohiohome]

I didn't find Patrick's family or Ellen Carroll's family in Madison County, IL in 1860. And I didn't find Ellen with her parents in Manchester, England, in 1851 or 1861.