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Father and son ?
« on: Sunday 26 April 20 14:29 BST (UK) »
Can anyone help please.  I have this family ,  they are in the same property  but I can`t work out of they are father and son.
I can`t find John and Maria in 1841 , but this are is missing for this area.
I can`t find Henry anywhere before 1861 and not having any luck with baptisms. 
 The fact that one was born Derbyshire and the other in London isn`t helping either .
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1851 Gwersyllt Wales     HO107; Piece: 2502; Folio: 242; Page: 25
John Cowlishaw    52 b Parwich Derbyshire
Maria Cowlishaw    50 b Buckingham
Mary Ann Cowlishaw    9 b Derby

Maria died 1855 Wrexham aged 57
John died 1856 Wrexham aged 62

1861 Gwersyllt Wales  RG9; Piece: 4277; Folio: 112; Page: 29
Henry Cawleyshaw    39 b London 1820
Charlotte Cawleyshaw    35 b Hope.
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Re: Father and son ?
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 26 April 20 14:38 BST (UK) »
Surname     First name(s)          District     Vol     Page
Marriages Dec 1856   (>99%)
Cowlishaw    Henry        Wrexham    11b   559     Scan available - click to view
ELLIS    George         Wrexham    11b   559     Scan available - click to view
Lloyd            Mary                 Wrexham    11b   559     Scan available - click to view
Pritchard    Charlotte         Wrexham    11b   559     Scan available - click to view

if you can get to look at the marriage it should give you the name of Henry's father
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Re: Father and son ?
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 26 April 20 18:18 BST (UK) »
marriage in Gwersyllt parish church 20 Dec 1856
Henry Coulishaw 31 bach innkeeper Ffrwd Inn Gwersyllt father John Coulishaw innkeeper
Charlotte Pritchard spinster 30 Gwersyllt father Edward Pritchard farmer
witnesses Price Bithel & Harriet Pritchard
Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb


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« Reply #3 on: Sunday 26 April 20 18:24 BST (UK) »
Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb

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Re: Father and son ?
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 26 April 20 18:45 BST (UK) »
https://newspapers.library.wales/view/3643991/3643992/1/Cowlishaw

Thats interesting . Mine is in the Inn by 1848,
Not sure what to think about this.
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Re: Father and son ?
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 26 April 20 18:50 BST (UK) »
this may explain the move from Derby

https://newspapers.library.wales/view/3089615/3089619/40/

Just read the Mannings story on the same page  :o
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Re: Father and son ?
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 26 April 20 19:16 BST (UK) »
GRO index 1842  has daughter Mary Ann Cowlishaw mmn Hine.

Presuming she is also the mother of Henry then John must have married quite young,  but he may have been a widower when he married Maria.
She could have also been a widow  ???
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Re: Father and son ?
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 26 April 20 19:39 BST (UK) »
 I`m not convinced but .......

Marriage Date:    31 Aug 1841    Derby, St Alkmund, Derbyshire,
John Cowlishaw 45 widower  coal dealer Father: George Cowlishaw farmer.
 Spouse: Mary Hides spinster 39 father Samuel Hides iron worker.
Both signed their names.

Mary Ann Cowlishaw  Baptism Date:    17 Feb 1842
Derby, St Alkmund, Derbyshire,
Father John Cowlishaw  Bridge Street, occupation Higler.
Mother Mary.

A higler is an itinerant trader who higgles or chaffers in bargaining.

Could he have become a farmer / publican in 7 years.  ???
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Re: Father and son ?
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 26 April 20 20:02 BST (UK) »
more than one John Cowlishaw having children baptised in London at around the right time. There's a John married to Edith, he's noted as silversmith and jeweller. There's a John & Jane who have a son John Henry baptised at St Marylebone 1 Aug 1819, dob 14 July father noted as servant. Same couple have a daughter Jane Eglington Cowlishaw born 12 Oct 1821.
Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb