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I wonder what happened to Charles Chaplin and Beatrice Buchanan?
« on: Sunday 26 April 20 22:00 BST (UK) »
Charles Chaplin was born on 11 December 1832 in Chelmsford, Essex, parents Henry Chaplin, book binder and Lucy Dean, and baptised in Springfield, Essex on 6 January 1833.

In 1841 he was with his father and siblings in Chelmsford. In 1851 he was an apprentice baker in Chelmsford, staying in the household of his master Richard Stannard. In 1861 he was staying with his brother Henry and family at 14a Brook Street, Hammersmith.

On 27 December 1874 he married Beatrice Buchanan in Edinburgh. He was described as a baker and lived at 49 Couper Street, Leith.

Beatrice was born in Westminster, London in 1848, parents James Buchanan (1816-1891), military corporal and later tailor, and Margaret Tregwell (1818/9-1891). Beatrice had previously had a son James in 1873, when she was described as widow of Samuel McClure, but it is unclear (to me, at least) whether or not she had actually married Samuel McClure. James was living with his mother's parents in Glasgow in 1881.

I have not, so far, found either Charles or Beatrice in any later census than 1861. Nor have they come up in any passenger lists leaving UK, or in the US census.

Has anyone come across them anywhere?

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AITKENHEAD, Lanarkshire; BINNY, Forfar; BLACK, New Monkland; BRYSON, Cumbernauld; BURGESS, North-East Scotland; CRUICKSHANK, Rothes; DALLAS, Botriphnie; DAVIDSON, Oyne; GUTHRIE, Angus; HOGG, Larbert; LESLIE, Rothes/Mortlach; MENDUM, England; MOLLISON, Lethnot; PATERSON, Larbert; RHIND, Forfar; SANG, Scotland; SCOTT, East Kilbride; STOR(R)I/E/Y, Shotts; THORNTON, Shotts; WADDELL, New Monkland; WILKIE, New Monkland; WILKIE, Tannadice; WYLLIE, Angus; YOUNG, Keith

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Re: I wonder what happened to Charles Chaplin and Beatrice Buchanan?
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 26 April 20 22:26 BST (UK) »
Hi
Don't know if it's your chap, but there are quite a few London workhouse admissions, mid to late 1890s, of a Charles Chaplin, born around 1831, a Baker.
Beginning in Southwark, then some in Stepney (he is a widower on those).

On ancestry, also FamilySearch, i.e.
17 January 1894, Mint Street
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CS1Y-D9VH?i=201&cat=289304

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Re: I wonder what happened to Charles Chaplin and Beatrice Buchanan?
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 26 April 20 22:26 BST (UK) »
Baptism Woolwich Kent 26 Aug 1879 Arthur Herbert son of Charles Chaplin a baker and Beatrice
address 7 Francis Street
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Re: I wonder what happened to Charles Chaplin and Beatrice Buchanan?
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 26 April 20 23:28 BST (UK) »
Thank you for these. That certainly looks like the Charles Chaplin I am looking for. The GRO births index confirms that the mother's maiden name of Arthur Herbert Chaplin is Buchanan.

Still can't find any of them in the census ???

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AITKENHEAD, Lanarkshire; BINNY, Forfar; BLACK, New Monkland; BRYSON, Cumbernauld; BURGESS, North-East Scotland; CRUICKSHANK, Rothes; DALLAS, Botriphnie; DAVIDSON, Oyne; GUTHRIE, Angus; HOGG, Larbert; LESLIE, Rothes/Mortlach; MENDUM, England; MOLLISON, Lethnot; PATERSON, Larbert; RHIND, Forfar; SANG, Scotland; SCOTT, East Kilbride; STOR(R)I/E/Y, Shotts; THORNTON, Shotts; WADDELL, New Monkland; WILKIE, New Monkland; WILKIE, Tannadice; WYLLIE, Angus; YOUNG, Keith

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Re: I wonder what happened to Charles Chaplin and Beatrice Buchanan?
« Reply #4 on: Monday 27 April 20 11:37 BST (UK) »
Might have something at 51 Lower Wood Street Woolwich

Beatrice under the surname McClure which you mentioned as a possible previous husband/partner

1881

Beatrice McClure 32 lodger born London
Bertie McClure 1 born Woolwich

that could be Arthur Herbert

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Re: I wonder what happened to Charles Chaplin and Beatrice Buchanan?
« Reply #5 on: Monday 27 April 20 11:53 BST (UK) »
Might be wrong but following on from that there is a Thorpe family headed by Charles and Beatrice and a child born 1890 has mothers maiden name Buchanan

Haven't checked all the children out yet but

Alphonso George Thorpe Jun 1890 Woolwich mothers name Buchanan

1901

Charles Thorpe 56 dockyard labourer
Beatrice 52 born Westminster
Arthur 21 son born Woolwich
Caroline dau 15
Kathleen dau 12
Alphonzo son 11
Ethel dau 8
William Lillycrop 11 months visitor

Can't find birth registration for Ethel yet Caroline and Kathleen both have MMN Buchanan.
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Re: I wonder what happened to Charles Chaplin and Beatrice Buchanan?
« Reply #6 on: Monday 27 April 20 12:01 BST (UK) »
1891

Charles Thorpe 46
Beatrice 41
Arthur 17
Charles A 9
James 7
Caroline 5
Kathleen 3
Alphonso 1

Charles and James also MMN Buchanan

Charles senior is widowed by 1911 so possible death for Beatrice Dec 1906 Woolwich age 57
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Re: I wonder what happened to Charles Chaplin and Beatrice Buchanan?
« Reply #7 on: Monday 27 April 20 12:03 BST (UK) »
Good heavens, I take my hat off to you, Milliepede! Thank you. Those do look very interesting.

Charles Thorpe married Beatrice McClure in Woolwich in 1881. 
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AITKENHEAD, Lanarkshire; BINNY, Forfar; BLACK, New Monkland; BRYSON, Cumbernauld; BURGESS, North-East Scotland; CRUICKSHANK, Rothes; DALLAS, Botriphnie; DAVIDSON, Oyne; GUTHRIE, Angus; HOGG, Larbert; LESLIE, Rothes/Mortlach; MENDUM, England; MOLLISON, Lethnot; PATERSON, Larbert; RHIND, Forfar; SANG, Scotland; SCOTT, East Kilbride; STOR(R)I/E/Y, Shotts; THORNTON, Shotts; WADDELL, New Monkland; WILKIE, New Monkland; WILKIE, Tannadice; WYLLIE, Angus; YOUNG, Keith

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Re: I wonder what happened to Charles Chaplin and Beatrice Buchanan?
« Reply #8 on: Monday 27 April 20 12:08 BST (UK) »
This is even more interesting

Marriage Jun 1881 Woolwich

Charles Thorpe
Beatrice McClure

I do hope it's right, wasn't expecting to find a marriage seeing as she was married to Charles Chaplin at the time.  He was short lived in her life wasn't he  :(
Hinchliffe Huddersfield Wiltshire