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Overcoming a Brick wall - East End/London/Workhouse/Weavers
« on: Monday 27 April 20 13:46 BST (UK) »
Good afternoon. Since my last post, I have been (fairly relentlessly) trying to locate my ancestor 'Robert Weaver' based in Bethnal Green/Whitechapel/Mile End etc. I have traced him through the  his marriage/births of children and can locate him as follows;

1810 - Christ Church Spitalfields - Marriage to Susannah Cooper
1811 - St Luke, Bethnal Green - Birth of daughter Sarah
1815- St Matthew Bethnal Green - Birth of son James
1819 - Stepney - Birth of daughter - Susan
1827 -  Bethnal Green  - Birth of son Henry (my direct ancestor)

On some of the records he gives his name as Robert and others he gives his name as Henry Robert. He is named as father on all of his children's marriage certificates but neither he, or Susan are present. At Henry's marriage in 1859, he is noted as deceased.

I can not find Susan on the 1841 census. I find a Robert Weaver on the census at the workhouse in Southwark, Mint Street. Additionally, I have found a record of a Robert Weaver on a voters list of 1833, where Court Street is named as the address. I can find no birth record that matches. I can find a death record in 1842, similarly in Southwark.

Henry, aged 15 is on the 1841 census as a whip makers apprentice. James; who married late in 1841 and gives Thomas Street as his address at the time, is nowhere to be seen.

I have searched extensively for a birth record that matches (or doesn't end up with someone completely different as the record goes on). I just wondered if there was any other course of action I could take? Looks like they lived in real poverty, with Henry's Ann, living in the notorious Flower and Dean Street before they married and then Eastman Street and Dunk Street thereafter.

I am disheartened by hitting a brick wall when everything else was relatively clear up to that point.  >:( You would think the name Weaver would be pretty easy.  ::)I just wish I was able to push on and find out when Robert (or Henry Robert) was born. Any pointers or tips would be gratefully received.

Many thanks.

Beccy

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Re: Overcoming a Brick wall - East End/London/Workhouse/Weavers
« Reply #1 on: Monday 27 April 20 14:41 BST (UK) »
Possible?

Name:   Robert Weaver
Gender:   Male
Baptism Date:   30 Jan 1780
Baptism Place:   St. Martin-in-the-Fields, Westminster, Middlesex, England
Father:   William
Mother:   Martha
FHL Film Number:   1866642

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Re: Overcoming a Brick wall - East End/London/Workhouse/Weavers
« Reply #2 on: Monday 27 April 20 14:44 BST (UK) »
Thank you for this. I think that I was able to discount him for some reason and found his marriage, but I am going to re-visit right now just in case. Thank you.

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Re: Overcoming a Brick wall - East End/London/Workhouse/Weavers
« Reply #3 on: Monday 27 April 20 15:10 BST (UK) »
1810 - Christ Church Spitalfields - Marriage to Susannah Cooper
1811 - St Luke, Bethnal Green - Birth of daughter Sarah
1815- St Matthew Bethnal Green - Birth of son James
1819 - Stepney - Birth of daughter - Susan
1827 -  Bethnal Green  - Birth of son Henry (my direct ancestor)

It`s possible the daughters had married by 1841, therefore have different surnames.
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Re: Overcoming a Brick wall - East End/London/Workhouse/Weavers
« Reply #4 on: Monday 27 April 20 18:40 BST (UK) »
Hello

Did any of your confirmed family (or any possible suspects) leave and Register a Will at death, or have a Probate listing?

Circa 1800 to 1820
Inland Revenue Abstract of Wills only (a Summary giving Executors and Beneficiaries only) are currently available FREE (with a sign-in), circa late 1790s to circa 1820 (if they left an English Will or assessed for possible payment of Duty).
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=828235.msg6940436#msg6940436

Other Possibles
Burials. Not all Memorials of known family survive, some were buried without a Memorial; not all are indexed; nor online, nor in printed booklets, but a few Memorials are occasionally found and one might be very useful.

Newspaper notices can very occasionally be a valuable resource. Not everyone placed a Notice.

Census
I'm finding the Census "Visitor" in my family households were all related, one very distantly related.

Unusually, one female 'Visitor' in an 1891 Census is quite distantly related (and given me a surname clue to find other records to span my circa 1786 no baptism problem), now all her lines and especially her husband's line are all worked backward from 1891 to 1813 & 1814 and beyond. The new surname now links in several other marriages and in particular two 18th Century Wills, from amongst numerous photocopies and notes etc., taken over 25 years.

One of the two previous suspected links is now ruled out and the other suspect (with my family surname) living in the same town (after looking at North Yorks Deeds Registrations noted down for the town he came from) now perhaps suggest him to be a distant relative.

Some Lodgers were very occasionally relatives too.

Mark

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Re: Overcoming a Brick wall - East End/London/Workhouse/Weavers
« Reply #5 on: Monday 27 April 20 18:51 BST (UK) »


Susan Weaver

Spouse

James Pearce

Father

Robert Weaver

Marriage

14/04/1850 St. Paul, Hammersmith, Middlesex, England

Residence

Hammersmith, Middlesex, England

Check out this couple. There is an image on Ancestry,  Robert was a labourer.

They can be found in 1851, if you check GRO birth index you can find Pearce children with mmn Weaver.
It might or might not help.
By the way, on Susan s baptism image her mother is also Susan rather than Susanna.
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Re: Overcoming a Brick wall - East End/London/Workhouse/Weavers
« Reply #6 on: Monday 27 April 20 18:56 BST (UK) »


On some of the records he gives his name as Robert and others he gives his name as Henry Robert. He is named as father on all of his children's marriage certificates

I can now see you have found marriages,  I missed that.





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« Reply #7 on: Monday 27 April 20 19:25 BST (UK) »
Thank you everyone. @BushInn1746 so much detail there. They all appear to live in slum housing so no visitors that I can identify on any census anywhere and doubtful of wills, however, this is something that I have been exploring and can do some more with what you have told me. They were destitute. Henry was a hawker and his apprenticeship as a whip maker seems to be a bit casual, no formal record of it exists aside from the the 1841 census, where he is living with Joseph Petergree. Assume both Robert and Susan had died by that time. A bit later down the line it seems that a half brother and sister marry, so think the moral compass of this family is questionable. Henry's son John James Weaver had three wives/partners who in turn had 2/3 husbands each. about 15 children between them! I found his work record. Makes for entertaining reading!

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« Reply #8 on: Monday 27 April 20 19:28 BST (UK) »
Irritating that his surname is Weaver, given the volume of occupational weavers at the time :)