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William Stacey - Hawker - Surrey, England
« on: Tuesday 28 April 20 18:27 BST (UK) »
Trying to find the parents of William Stacey born abt. 1831. I have found him on the 1871 Census & the 1881 Census. The family changed their surname from Stacey to Louder on the 1881 Census. I cannot find a marriage for William Stacey & Emily Louder. I have found birth records for most of their children all born with the surname Stacey and mother's maiden name Louder but the children with ???? below I have nothing to confirm if they are their children.

1871 Census - In a tent, Shocks Green, Reigate, Surrey

William Stacey    40   Head
Emily Stacey    30   Wife
William Stacey    15   Son
Lucy Stacey    13   Daughter
Andrew Stacey    10   Son
Jack Stacey      8   Son
Elizabeth Stacey   6    Daughter
Alfred Stacey      4    Son
Fanny Stacey      1    Daughter

1881 Census - Mitcham Common Tent, Surrey, England

William Louder     50   Head
Emily Louder     45   Wife
William Louder     25   Son
Lucy Louder     22   Daughter
Andrew Louder     21   Son
John Louder     19   Son
Elizabeth Louder  17   Daughter
Alfred Louder     16   Son??????
Annie Louder     15   Daughter
Charles Louder     14   Son
Peter Louder     12   Son
Emily Louder     10 granddaughter??????
James Louder       6 grandson??????

Any help would be very much appreciated.

Many Thanks


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Re: William Stacey - Hawker - Surrey, England
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 28 April 20 19:57 BST (UK) »
This looks like a possible for 1891 - Wilford Road, Croydon

William Stacey    60 - General labourer b Croydon
Emilie Stacey    50 - b Orton Green, Kent
Peter Stacey    16 - b Duckwill, Surrey
Emilie Stacey    14 - b Shooters HIll
Janey Stacey    10 - b Mitcham

in the same address are

Thomas Lambert - 22, mender of chairs
Elizabeth Lambert - 24
Caroline Lambert - 7
William Lambert - 3

Janey potentially marries in 1903 as Janey Lowder

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Re: William Stacey - Hawker - Surrey, England
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 28 April 20 22:03 BST (UK) »
Marriages Dec 1890   Croydon    2a   523

Chapman    Ada           
Lambert    Thomas        <<<
Lowder    Elizabeth    <<<
Pilling    Charles        
Simmonds    Alice   


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Re: William Stacey - Hawker - Surrey, England
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 28 April 20 22:22 BST (UK) »
Emilie Stacey from 1891 marries as Stacey - spouse George Clarkson in 1904 (although they are together in 1901 as Clarkson) . She has Emily Louder with her in 1911 as  mother in law to head George.

They all seem to congregate in Wilford Road. Alfred is there too

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Re: William Stacey - Hawker - Surrey, England
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 28 April 20 23:38 BST (UK) »
A few possible newspaper items for the family. I'm not convinced all the items are for the family but thought I'd include them anyway, just in case.


Sussex Advertiser
20 Jan 1857
Tunbridge Wells
Intelligencer
William Stacey (holding in his arms an infant) was charged with cutting and stealing 14 green willow stakes from the estate of William Woodgate, Esq., at Tudely. Emily Louder (his unmarried partner) was placed at the bar at the same time, on charge of lodging under a tent at Tudely, without any visible means of subsistence, and of not giving satisfactory account of herself.

Supt. Dance (who produced the sticks, and a number of swede turnips he had found in the possession of the gipsies) said he didn't wish to press charge against the woman, as both were very civil.

Both charges were pleaded guilty to. Louder was discharged and took the babe, while Stacey was ordered to pay 2 5s. 6d. (1s. 6d. damages, 1 fine, 1 4s. costs). Defendant, who treated the matter as a good "lark," said he couldn't pay, and was sentenced to one calendar month's imprisonment.


West Surrey Times
05 Mar 1859
Local Intelligence
Guildford
Borough Bench, Monday, February the 28th
Drunkenness And Assaulting The Police
William Stacey, a hawker, was charged with being drunk and riotous on Saturday night last.

Mr Quelch, landlord of the White Horse Inn, Spital Street, stated that defendant came to his house on Saturday night, and after remaining there for some time he began to kick up a row by showing symptoms for fighting. He wanted witness to supply him with some beer, but this was refused to do. At this refusal defendant became more incensed, and was very noisy and pugnacious, and witness at once gave him into custody.

Mr Superintendent Vickers told the magistrate that the defendant was very violent on his way to the station, having kicked and struck the policemen several times, besides arousing the whole neighbourhood.

PC Buckland deposed that the defendant was very drunk, and also desperately violent on the night in questions. He (Buckland) had a struggle with him on the ground when the defendant gave him a sharp kick in the leg.

The Bench stated that such conduct could not be permitted with impunity, and therefore they should inflict upon him the penalty of 1, or in default of payment one month's imprisonment,

The money was paid.


Surrey Mirror
30 May 1891
Croydon Borough Bench
Wednesday
Abusive. - Ann Ashby, of 12, Princess-road, was charged by Rebecca Beecham, with using insulting language towards her. Complainant state her case, and called Emily Stacey to corroborate her statements. The evidence was conflicting, and defendant was fined 5s. and 7s. costs, seven days. She took the sevendays.


Croydon Chronicle and East Surrey Advertiser
01 Apr 1893
Family Jars
Andrew Lowder was summoned by Charlotte Lowder for using insulting language towards her, with intent to create a breach of the peace. - Complainant is the defendant's sister-in-law, and after hearing her evidence, the Bench fined the defendant 5s. and 5s. 6d. costs.


Sussex Agricultural Express
09 Jan 1894
Croydon
Adjourned
William Smith, Elizabeth Streeter, Mary Ann Capel, William Powell, John Cooper, John Smith, and Andrew Lowder, gipsies, none of whom appeared, were summoned for causing a nuisance by camping on land at Beddington, - Mr S G Edridge, who appeared for the Sanitary Authority, asked that, as some who had been summoned for a like offence had not been served, the summonses might be adjourned for a month. - The Bench adjourned them accordingly.


Croydon Guardian and Surrey County Gazette
07 Sep 1901
A Week's Croydon Burials
Mitcham Road
Lowder, Jack, 47 yrs., Christ Church
Anderson Banks Beard Brewer Caves Clarke Clinch Cooling Cuff Denton Gamble Gibson Gunn Hunt Mills Muncey Norris Notzke Reid Robinson Searle Smith Trundle Turner Weedon Wells Wilson

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Re: William Stacey - Hawker - Surrey, England
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 29 April 20 10:55 BST (UK) »
Emilie Stacey from 1891 marries as Stacey - spouse George Clarkson in 1904 (although they are together in 1901 as Clarkson) . She has Emily Louder with her in 1911 as  mother in law to head George.

They all seem to congregate in Wilford Road. Alfred is there too

Thank you Mabel Bagshawe for all the information, I do already have the information on my family tree, the brick wall I have hit is finding William Stacey's parents and whether William and Emily married as I cannot find a marriage.

Many Thanks

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Re: William Stacey - Hawker - Surrey, England
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 29 April 20 11:04 BST (UK) »
A few possible newspaper items for the family. I'm not convinced all the items are for the family but thought I'd include them anyway, just in case.


Sussex Advertiser
20 Jan 1857
Tunbridge Wells
Intelligencer
William Stacey (holding in his arms an infant) was charged with cutting and stealing 14 green willow stakes from the estate of William Woodgate, Esq., at Tudely. Emily Louder (his unmarried partner) was placed at the bar at the same time, on charge of lodging under a tent at Tudely, without any visible means of subsistence, and of not giving satisfactory account of herself.

Supt. Dance (who produced the sticks, and a number of swede turnips he had found in the possession of the gipsies) said he didn't wish to press charge against the woman, as both were very civil.

Both charges were pleaded guilty to. Louder was discharged and took the babe, while Stacey was ordered to pay 2 5s. 6d. (1s. 6d. damages, 1 fine, 1 4s. costs). Defendant, who treated the matter as a good "lark," said he couldn't pay, and was sentenced to one calendar month's imprisonment.


West Surrey Times
05 Mar 1859
Local Intelligence
Guildford
Borough Bench, Monday, February the 28th
Drunkenness And Assaulting The Police
William Stacey, a hawker, was charged with being drunk and riotous on Saturday night last.

Mr Quelch, landlord of the White Horse Inn, Spital Street, stated that defendant came to his house on Saturday night, and after remaining there for some time he began to kick up a row by showing symptoms for fighting. He wanted witness to supply him with some beer, but this was refused to do. At this refusal defendant became more incensed, and was very noisy and pugnacious, and witness at once gave him into custody.

Mr Superintendent Vickers told the magistrate that the defendant was very violent on his way to the station, having kicked and struck the policemen several times, besides arousing the whole neighbourhood.

PC Buckland deposed that the defendant was very drunk, and also desperately violent on the night in questions. He (Buckland) had a struggle with him on the ground when the defendant gave him a sharp kick in the leg.

The Bench stated that such conduct could not be permitted with impunity, and therefore they should inflict upon him the penalty of 1, or in default of payment one month's imprisonment,

The money was paid.


Surrey Mirror
30 May 1891
Croydon Borough Bench
Wednesday
Abusive. - Ann Ashby, of 12, Princess-road, was charged by Rebecca Beecham, with using insulting language towards her. Complainant state her case, and called Emily Stacey to corroborate her statements. The evidence was conflicting, and defendant was fined 5s. and 7s. costs, seven days. She took the sevendays.


Croydon Chronicle and East Surrey Advertiser
01 Apr 1893
Family Jars
Andrew Lowder was summoned by Charlotte Lowder for using insulting language towards her, with intent to create a breach of the peace. - Complainant is the defendant's sister-in-law, and after hearing her evidence, the Bench fined the defendant 5s. and 5s. 6d. costs.


Sussex Agricultural Express
09 Jan 1894
Croydon
Adjourned
William Smith, Elizabeth Streeter, Mary Ann Capel, William Powell, John Cooper, John Smith, and Andrew Lowder, gipsies, none of whom appeared, were summoned for causing a nuisance by camping on land at Beddington, - Mr S G Edridge, who appeared for the Sanitary Authority, asked that, as some who had been summoned for a like offence had not been served, the summonses might be adjourned for a month. - The Bench adjourned them accordingly.


Croydon Guardian and Surrey County Gazette
07 Sep 1901
A Week's Croydon Burials
Mitcham Road
Lowder, Jack, 47 yrs., Christ Church

Thank you so much cuffie81, very interesting reading. I am a member on Ancestry and have tried to find the information you have kindly given me but having no luck. Where can I find the newspaper items?
Many Thanks

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Re: William Stacey - Hawker - Surrey, England
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 29 April 20 14:17 BST (UK) »
Mitche11, the newspaper items are from the British Newspaper Archive. Accessing the full articles does require a subscription, either via the BNA direct or via FindMyPast (the BNA articles are only available to the higher-level FindMyPast subscriptions though).

Looking through some of your other posts I see you have a number of traveller families you're interested in, so it might be worth your while taking out a BNA subscription (even just  month to try it). Traveller families often make appearances in the newspapers, and the items can sometimes include quite a bit of detail about family relationships.

British Newspaper Archive
https://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/
Anderson Banks Beard Brewer Caves Clarke Clinch Cooling Cuff Denton Gamble Gibson Gunn Hunt Mills Muncey Norris Notzke Reid Robinson Searle Smith Trundle Turner Weedon Wells Wilson