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John Fulton
« on: Friday 01 May 20 08:54 BST (UK) »
My great grandfather John Fulton was born in Cape Town or Cape of Good Hope around 1840. In 1854 he attested for the military in England. I can find no record of him being born in South Africa nor of him leaving there to travel to England. I have been looking for evidence of the South African connection for years but have never found anything. Iíd appreciate any help or guidance. Thank you.

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Re: John Fulton
« Reply #1 on: Friday 01 May 20 09:29 BST (UK) »
Welcome,

Can you tell us of John Fulton (b1840ish) marriage?
When, to whom, parents and witness names?

Where did he attest, and have you seen the record?
What can you tell us of service number etc?


Is he the widowed  Drummer 1st Derby Militia n Derbyshire 1881?
1871 Hampshire with wife Ellen from Canada (2 kids, eldest b Scotland)?

Does little George's birth appear on Scotland's people?
Could John & Ellen have wed there too?
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Re: John Fulton
« Reply #2 on: Friday 01 May 20 10:05 BST (UK) »
John's service number is 2808 and he joined the Kings Own Scottish Borderers 25th Foot.  Enlisted on 10 October 1854 at Aberdeen.  His birth place is stated as being Cape Town, Africa.  He did serve part of his time in Canada which would tie up with the 1871 census of his wife being Canadian.

The images do not reveal any mention of family members, these being on Find My Past.
Ashford: Somerset, London
England: Devon, London, New Zealand
Holdway: Wiltshire
Hooper: Bristol, Somerset
Knowling: Devon, London
Southcott: Devon, China
Strong: Wiltshire
Watson: Cambridgeshire
White: Bristol
Windo - Gloucestershire, Somerset, Wiltshire

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Re: John Fulton
« Reply #3 on: Friday 01 May 20 10:48 BST (UK) »
It seems John remarried DerbyD
John Fleming Fulton Head M 50 Timekeeper Rwy Cape of Good Hope Bristish Subject
Amelia wife 35
Benjamin Laws father in law 71 Bungay Suffolk
Maria Laws mother in law 69 Bungay Suffolk
Alice Heath niece 7 Derby

by 1901 John was a widower again and was boarding at 75 Jackson St Derby with Richard and Mary Dry and their niece and his son John J Fulton age 26 single independant  born Bull??want Ireland
RG 13 3219 184
daughter Annie who was housekeeper for John at a later date was a parlourmaid in Charlton london

this looks like the burial record for John - owner of burial plot and who he was buried with seem to be the family John boarded with in 1901 and it seems they died together

Burial Derby
no 200 H
Owner of plot Ellen E T Dry
Buried in same grave
Richard Dry age 74 23 April 1913
Mary Dry age 74 23 April 1913
John Fulton age 88 22 Jun 1928

wonder if there was a relationship there?

Marriage cert to Amelia should give John's father's name

Suz
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Re: John Fulton
« Reply #4 on: Friday 01 May 20 10:57 BST (UK) »
Here's the marriage record that you found suzard

Marriages Dec 1881 

FULTON    John Fleming        Derby    7b   954    
LAWS    Amelia        Derby    7b   954

As you say getting this would give a father's name for John.
Ashford: Somerset, London
England: Devon, London, New Zealand
Holdway: Wiltshire
Hooper: Bristol, Somerset
Knowling: Devon, London
Southcott: Devon, China
Strong: Wiltshire
Watson: Cambridgeshire
White: Bristol
Windo - Gloucestershire, Somerset, Wiltshire

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Re: John Fulton
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 02 May 20 10:02 BST (UK) »
Thank you for your help.
Drouin Institute records state he married Ellen Comerford in 1865 in Quebec, Canada. I have found no records of them leaving Canada though they were in Scotland in 1868 as thatís where George Samuel was born. After 1871 I think they went to Ireland and had two more children but returned to England. I have seen his military service record but there are only basic details as the original documents were lost.
I have looked at online records for South Africa but can find nothing for him. Itís difficult to verify which John Fulton is the right one.

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Re: John Fulton
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 03 May 20 06:21 BST (UK) »

Burial Derby
no 200 H
Owner of plot Ellen E T Dry
Buried in same grave
Richard Dry age 74 23 April 1913
Mary Dry age 74 23 April 1913
John Fulton age 88 22 Jun 1928

wonder if there was a relationship there?

Suz

Suz, could I ask you to double check the death/burial date for Richard Dry?  I can find a mention of Mary's death in the newspapers, but not his, and if they died the same day, I would have expected to see him mentioned as well, and I think you are on to something being related with the Dry's.   
Although it might be a coincidence, there is  a Dry mentioned as a witness? godparent? to John Fulton's daughter Annie, born Ireland.   I am putting in a snip of it, as I can't read what the first name of Dry is.... it could be Richd but there seems to be a a few extra squiggles in the superscript.



 

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Re: John Fulton
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 03 May 20 06:38 BST (UK) »
Ooh!!!

The 1881 census for Richard and Mary Dry shows that their daughter Ellen, (who was listed in later censuses as their daughter, and owned their grave plot)  says that she is adopted and her surname is FULTON!

However, the 1881 census has Harup, Aldershot as a birth place, which doesn't jive with the GRO (if she really is John's daughter that was adopted out after her mother died?)

FULTON, ELLEN        COMMERFORD     
GRO Reference: 1869  S Quarter in FARNHAM  Volume 02A  Page 98

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Re: John Fulton
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 03 May 20 08:16 BST (UK) »
I think the baptism states that John Chambers and Sarah Pilkington are standing in by proxy for Richard Dry and Annie Dunny

John James 10 th Oct 1874 at Buttervant,Mallow ,Co Cork
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https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1874/03120/2144285.pdf

Possible error in his baptism
John James of John Sullivan and Ellen Comerford 25th Reg 8th November 1874
Right hand page
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000632613#page/235/mode/1up