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Re: Help with Italian Birth Reg. for Foundling Infant
« Reply #9 on: Monday 04 May 20 17:21 BST (UK) »
The piaricevitrice had to live close to the wheel , she was certainlay a nun ( the duomo of castellammare di stagia is the cathedral , situated nowadays Piazza Duomo).

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Re: Help with Italian Birth Reg. for Foundling Infant
« Reply #10 on: Monday 04 May 20 17:31 BST (UK) »
Enter piaricevitrice in Google , you'll get two answers , one is a book wrote in French in which you can get infos on the abandonned children in Italy, the other is a facebook page in italian .
I 'll read the book and tell you what could help you.
If somebody else want to read it too , she or he is welcome.


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Re: Help with Italian Birth Reg. for Foundling Infant
« Reply #11 on: Monday 04 May 20 17:34 BST (UK) »
Was she the ancestor of the italian composer? Or was De Curtis a name found in this area?

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Re: Help with Italian Birth Reg. for Foundling Infant
« Reply #12 on: Monday 04 May 20 17:48 BST (UK) »
The story she had told her children (and what we always believed) was that she was the daughter of a nobleman and a maid, who were to get married and come back for the baby (and there was a beautiful dress she was left in). Supposedly, when they came back, the adoptive family (farmers in Amalfi) claimed that she died so they couldn't reclaim her.

But from everything I'm reading, it was common to claim the baby belonged to some type of nobility, to save the reputation of the child. And according to this document, she was sadly left in rags.

But yes, what's odd is that there appears to have been nobility in Naples with that same name. But my understanding, even if the story were true and the nuns knew that, she wouldn't have retained that name?! I'm beginning to think the story was completely fabricated, but there are definitely some questions, especially since the name "de Curtis" seems to be pretty specific.

From Wikipedia: Toṭ was born Antonio Vincenzo Stefano Clemente on 15 February 1898 in the Rione Sanità, a poor district of Naples, the illegitimate son of Anna Clemente (1881–1947), a Sicilian woman, and the Neapolitan marquis Giuseppe de Curtis (1873–1944).

Would love to hear any other thoughts or ideas.


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Re: Help with Italian Birth Reg. for Foundling Infant
« Reply #13 on: Monday 04 May 20 20:06 BST (UK) »
Sorry, I meant to add this part:

The column on the right states that “the priest of the cathedral, on the first of July
returned to them the document which they had given him on the 30th of June of  the
aforementioned year, in which he indicated that the Sacrament of Baptism was given
to Maria Giuseppa de Curtis on the 30th of June.

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Re: Help with Italian Birth Reg. for Foundling Infant
« Reply #14 on: Monday 04 May 20 20:38 BST (UK) »
Ah, thank you so much!

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Re: Help with Italian Birth Reg. for Foundling Infant
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Re: Help with Italian Birth Reg. for Foundling Infant
« Reply #16 on: Tuesday 05 May 20 10:51 BST (UK) »
Art. 5 in every town there will be a woman to receive the foundlings . She will be chosen by the Sous -Intendant in a list of 3 names ...She will be called Piarecivitrice (charitable receiver), considered as an employee of public charitable establisments she will enjoy the same rights.
Art .6 She will be chosen amongst the most pious, discreet  women. And she must have all the qualitites of a good mother.
Art 7 There will be a "ruota " ( called "un tour" in french) in every town, that could receive a newly born baby, in a place considered  useful and practical. One would prefer in a hospital .
Art 8... the ruota   will be open night and day
Art 9 a doorbelll will be placed near the ruota in order to warn the piaricevitrice


Art 11 The piaricevitrice will always be present in the lodging adjoining the ruota, particularly in the towns with many foundlings, or at least in the hours when the foundlings are usually left.

Art 12 ... after having received the baby most charitably she will give him milk and will bring him quickly to  the registrar in order to write the birth certificate. The child will also be brought to the curate for his baptism, if he is not already. The town will then take care of him.
Art 14 ... the child will be given a childminder , healthy and whose milk is good.
His name, first name , when he was found,the promised salary will be written in the foundlings register.

Art 16 When the child is brought to a childminder  , a lead medal with his  number in the register will be put around his neck


Trying to find the parents was forbidden.

The lead medal with the figure of Mary they had around their neck made that the foundlings were called "children of the madonna"
Many peasants took these children for free and educated them as if they were their children.

At 6 the girls were put in orphanages or other sort of establisments. if they could not be married they stayed there all their lives.
Boys usually stayed with the foster parents. if they could not,they were sent at 7 years'old in an "albergo dei poveri".

Must go now , will continue later .

ADDED: the book also says that the girls often stayed in the establishement they joined at 6 because it was easier for them , they stayed there as oblates.

The piarecivitrice was not a nun in fact.

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Re: Help with Italian Birth Reg. for Foundling Infant
« Reply #17 on: Tuesday 05 May 20 14:12 BST (UK) »
Thank you for this, joger...I looked this particular "piaricevitrice" up on Ancestry, and she appears to have been married with her own children, so this makes sense now.