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Lally - Binghamstown / Cross / Srah (Possibly MacHale / Geoghegan )
« on: Tuesday 05 May 20 21:58 BST (UK) »
Hello there,

I'm trying to find out more about my 3rd Gt Grandmother Ellen Lally. Born, I believe, 14th feb 1835 Binghamstown, Belmullet. She married a Charles Geoghegan of Cross, Belmullet, about 1851. Ellen died 2 Feb 1923 at Cross, Binghamstown. All of that info, I have had handed to me through alternative connections and I'd like to prove some of it by way of Birth details / marriage.

However, I was told her Father was one Denis Lally born circa 1800 who died Feb 1875 and was living in Srah. It is rumoured his wife was a MacHale. Again, finding out anything about Denis and his wife (Ellen's Mother) would be amazing.

I am a novice , not based in Ireland and struggling a bit, if honest!Denis definitely had a son Michael born circa 1838 (his death mentions the informant as 'son Michael'.) Possibly a Celia too as well as an Ellen but I can't prove any of the family.

If anyone can help in any way I'd be very grateful.
Regards and thanks
M

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Re: Lally - Binghamstown / Cross / Srah (Possibly MacHale / Geoghegan )
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 05 May 20 22:24 BST (UK) »
Unfortunately the baptism and marriage dates are too early for the registers online
https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0752

You will see on that page that Roots Ireland, which is a pay site may have earlier records but I don’t know if that is the case.

You do seem to have quite a bit of information re Ellen’s family so maybe from another site.

This site https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/captcha.jsp has civil records from 1864 so you will find deaths on there.  You need to solve a captcha.
The earlier deaths though aren’t online but you can send for certificates.

Dennis Lally deaths http://www.rootschat.com/links/01pf8/
You will find Ellen’s death on the site.

Is this Ellen in 1901 census?

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Mayo/Binghamstown_South/Rinanagh/1580788/

And 1911
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Mayo/Binghamstown__South/Rinanagh/709880/
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Re: Lally - Binghamstown / Cross / Srah (Possibly MacHale / Geoghegan )
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 05 May 20 23:17 BST (UK) »
Some useful/interesting sites

Rinanagh townland (1901 census)
https://www.townlands.ie/mayo/erris/kilmore/an-geata-mor-theas/rinanagh/

The Geoghegan surname (I know you are searching Lally but this might interest you)
http://sites.rootsweb.com/~irlmayo2/kilmore_cp_gahagan_griffiths.html

Griffiths Valuation Kilmore civil parish -no Dennis Lally showing and no Lally in Cross townland. (Not everyone would be included in GV).

You mention Srah which I think, but am not sure, is not near Binghamstown and is in Belmullet catholic parish https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0742

There are missing years though  ::)

https://www.townlands.ie/mayo/erris/kilcommon/glencastle/srah/ and is in  Kilcommon civil parish.

Dennis Lally in Srah
https://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths/mayo/kilcommon.htm

You get more information using Ask about Ireland site re Griffiths Valuation. I just use that one as the names are presented in one list.
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Re: Lally - Binghamstown / Cross / Srah (Possibly MacHale / Geoghegan )
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 06 May 20 08:46 BST (UK) »
Unfortunately the baptism and marriage dates are too early for the registers online
https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0752

You will see on that page that Roots Ireland, which is a pay site may have earlier records but I don’t know if that is the case.

You do seem to have quite a bit of information re Ellen’s family so maybe from another site.

This site https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/captcha.jsp has civil records from 1864 so you will find deaths on there.  You need to solve a captcha.
The earlier deaths though aren’t online but you can send for certificates.

Dennis Lally deaths http://www.rootschat.com/links/01pf8/
You will find Ellen’s death on the site.

Is this Ellen in 1901 census?

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Mayo/Binghamstown_South/Rinanagh/1580788/

And 1911
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Mayo/Binghamstown__South/Rinanagh/709880/


Hi Heywood,

Thank you so much for this. I hadn't seen the list of Denis Lally deaths - got me wondering if the other one in 1865 aged 80 may be his Father...!
I've found some of my info through Ancestry but often find the public trees can be useful but misleading if not careful, so I try to prove the findings myself! A lot of my info has been given through family info / word of mouth.

It is 'our' Ellen in 1901 / 1911. George was one of her sons and the niece Norah living there is another of Ellens grandchildren, another Ellen (!) who married a Kennedy and seemed to be in the USA without her.

Thank you for your pointers, very helpful and appreciated
M


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Re: Lally - Binghamstown / Cross / Srah (Possibly MacHale / Geoghegan )
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 06 May 20 13:46 BST (UK) »
I have been looking at baptisms to Charles and Ellen and sponsors names.
Sometimes they can be helpful for family members.

I gave you Dennis Lally earlier in G V in Srah and Maggsie has given you Tithe Applotments records.

Charles and Ellen were living in Rinanagh which was likely to be Charles’ homeplace.

Tithe Applotment books show Anthony Gaughan but no Geoghegan in Reenanagh.
http://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/reels/tab//004625684/004625684_00094.pdf

G V shows Charles in Rinanagh. https://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths/mayo/kilmore.htm

This morning, I looked in a book I have of the area but your family are not discussed (it is about people whose families originated in the Iniskea islands and moved to the Mullet peninsula.
I was going to mention DNA to you but looked at a couple of published trees and saw that Ellen had 180+ descendants in her newspaper memorial  :)
My husband’s family come from the same area and he has many DNA connections (mainly distant) so checked that with a couple of tree owners for your family. There was no connection but it showed that I have a very distant connection with one  ;)
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Re: Lally - Binghamstown / Cross / Srah (Possibly MacHale / Geoghegan )
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 06 May 20 14:02 BST (UK) »
Hi, here is Dennis in 1834
http://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/search/tab/results.jsp?surname=lally&firstname=dennis&county=Mayo&parish=&townland=&search=Search

Next page  there is a William Lally and Dennis 6th entry down.
http://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/reels/tab//004587457/004587457_00639.pdf

this is the next page, 2nd to last entry, very small 2nd name along.
http://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/reels/tab//004587457/004587457_00639.pdf

Use this site next....Belmullet is the registration district.
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/

Maggsie

Maggsie,
Thank you so much for taking the time to do these searches. I'm finding it really hard going if honest to know *how* to read the Griffiths valuations etc and it's definitely a learning curve! Forgive my ignorance therefore - do the Tithe appointments tell you who was renting that chunk of land? I assume therefore that no other members of the household are listed here.

It was great to see a William and Thomas and John Lally all in the vicinity on these records - some more scope for me to search around and see if something crops up that helps me understand more about Denis and potentially, his wife.

Thank you so much.
M

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Re: Lally - Binghamstown / Cross / Srah (Possibly MacHale / Geoghegan )
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 06 May 20 14:21 BST (UK) »
I have been looking at baptisms to Charles and Ellen and sponsors names.
Sometimes they can be helpful for family members.

I gave you Dennis Lally earlier in G V in Srah and Maggsie has given you Tithe Applotments records.

Charles and Ellen were living in Rinanagh which was likely to be Charles’ homeplace.

Tithe Applotment books show Anthony Gaughan but no Geoghegan in Reenanagh.
http://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/reels/tab//004625684/004625684_00094.pdf

G V shows Charles in Rinanagh. https://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths/mayo/kilmore.htm

This morning, I looked in a book I have of the area but your family are not discussed (it is about people whose families originated in the Iniskea islands and moved to the Mullet peninsula.
I was going to mention DNA to you but looked at a couple of published trees and saw that Ellen had 180+ descendants in her newspaper memorial  :)
My husband’s family come from the same area and he has many DNA connections (mainly distant) so checked that with a couple of tree owners. There was no connection but it showed that I have a very distant connection with one  ;)

Heywood,
A million thanks once more for this. I feel frustrated a little as I seem to 'know' Ellen Lally in obituary and her children's details etc. But on the other hand, don't know her at all as I don't know her parents (I'm still not 100% certain Denis is the correct Father's name!) or siblings etc. I'm not going to give up though!

I have Charles Geoghegan being of Cross, Belmullet - would this have been nearby to Rinanagh? Born circa 1824, died Oct 1885. His Father was a Charles too, of Cross, Belmullet 1781 - 1863, married to a Margaret Hughes - though again, I have no marriage details or MMN links through their childrens baptisms as I can't find anything! Other than 'my' Charles I found 2 other children - Henry G 1827 and Michael G 1834.


Back to Ellen Lally - I am 'told' (hence my need to 'prove!') that her Mother was a MacHale. And that potentially she was Ellen MacHale born circa 1806 to a Patrick 'Tor' MacKeal 1749c (know as MacHale) and Catherine MacCale (Patrick's 2nd wife) Patrick's first wife was Mary Mulkiernan and amongst others, produced the well know Archbishop of Tuam - John MacHale. They lived Tobernaveen.It was thought that Catherine McCale had 3 daughters and 2 sons with Patrick, Ellen MacHale being one of them....

That MacHale MMN link to Ellen Lally came randomly from seeing a handwritten note on the death 'story' of Ellen Lally that states "Ellen Lally's Uncle was Archbishop John MacHale..."

I think I'm going to try and focus on finding Ellen Lally's parents and siblings first. With more Lally's thrown up courtesy of the great help received on this thread, I will try to exhaust them to work out who's who and then continue to try and find any form of evidence that Denis Lally married Ellen MacHale... The revisit again everything I know, just in case!

Thanks again  :)
M

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Re: Lally - Binghamstown / Cross / Srah (Possibly MacHale / Geoghegan )
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 06 May 20 15:49 BST (UK) »
Hi,

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I have Charles Geoghegan being of Cross, Belmullet - would this have been nearby to Rinanagh?


Rinanagh townland (1901 census)
https://www.townlands.ie/mayo/erris/kilmore/an-geata-mor-theas/rinanagh/


There are four Cross townlands very close to Rinanagh townland in Kilmore civil parish.

https://www.townlands.ie/mayo/erris/kilmore/an-geata-mor-theas/cross-boyd/
https://www.townlands.ie/mayo/erris/kilmore/an-geata-mor-thuaidh/cross-wallace1/
https://www.townlands.ie/mayo/erris/kilmore/an-geata-mor-thuaidh/cross-wallace2/ again!
https://www.townlands.ie/mayo/erris/kilmore/an-geata-mor-theas/cross-common/

Click out once to see their relative location to Beal an Mhuirthead (Belmullet), compared to Rinanagh.

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