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Offline Guy Etchells

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Re: Wales to ease Lockdown rules
« Reply #18 on: Sunday 10 May 20 06:34 BST (UK) »


I think on the whole the government have done a good job, yes there have been a few things that could have been done better but that is always the case.

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If we're talking about naive remarks the above might be considered for inclusion in the honours list.  Here's the beginning of the British dealings with the coronavirus pandemic, all fact-checked.  There is more but I don't want to bore you.  Is this what you consider to be 'a good job'?

December 31st China alerts WHO to new virus.
January 23rd Study reveals a third of China’s patients require intensive care.

On 31 December 2019, the WHO China Country Office was informed of cases of pneumonia of unknown etiology (unknown cause) detected in Wuhan City, Hubei Province of China. As of 3 January 2020, a total of 44 patients with pneumonia of unknown etiology have been reported to WHO by the national authorities in China. Of the 44 cases reported, 11 are severely ill, while the remaining 33 patients are in stable condition. According to media reports, the concerned market in Wuhan was closed on 1 January 2020 for environmental sanitation and disinfection.
The causal agent has not yet been identified or confirmed. On 1 January 2020, WHO requested further information from national authorities to assess the risk.
National authorities report that all patients are isolated and receiving treatment in Wuhan medical institutions. The clinical signs and symptoms are mainly fever, with a few patients having difficulty in breathing, and chest radiographs showing invasive lesions of both lungs.
In other words the “problem” was reported as  pneumonia something the whole world knew how to treat so no great cause for concern, even though now with hindsight, people want to make out otherwise.

January 24th Boris Johnson misses first Cobra meeting.
January 29th Boris Johnson misses second Cobra meeting.
January 31st The NHS declares first ever ‘Level 4 critical incident’ Meanwhile, the government declines to join European scheme to source PPE.
February 5th Boris Johnson misses third Cobra meeting.
February 12th Boris Johnson misses fourth Cobra meeting.

Cobra Meetings are not some top level conference you are trying to make out, some of its meetings, which tend to be hardly reported, are attended only by civil servants. Most are routinely chaired by the departmental ministers concerned, you are simple trying to score political points with this. Cobra is one way of highlighting the need for an early cross-government focus on a crisis and the Chair reports directly to the Prime Minister.

Exeter University published study warning Coronavirus could infect 45 million people in the UK if left unchallenged.
February 13th Boris Johnson misses conference call with European leaders.
February 14th Boris Johnson goes away on holiday. Aides are told keeps Johnson’s briefing notes short or he will not read them.
February 18th Johnson misses fifth cobra meeting.
February 26th Boris Johnson announces ‘Herd Immunity’ strategy, announcing some people will lose loved ones. Government document is leaked, predicting half a million Brits could die in ‘worse case scenario’
February 29th Boris Johnson retreats to his country manor. NHS warns of ‘PPE shortage nightmare’ Stockpiles have dwindled or expired after years of austerity cuts.

More Digital Spy claims pasted from their forum taken out of context.
I will just comment on the last mentioned.

“NHS warns of ‘PPE shortage nightmare’ Stockpiles have dwindled or expired after years of austerity cuts.”
The UK had/have stockpiles of emergency use supplies, these supplies are not just sitting in a warehouse but are part of a stock of material that is stored or changed depending on what is thought would be required in an emergency. The general medical thinking was we needed to stockpile in case of pneumonia which is what was done. The NHS would not use gowns when treating cases of  cases  pneumonia but would use aprons, so gowns were not high priority to stockpile.
As for stock being out of date, it is common practice to re-test stored items to ensure they still comply to standards and are fit to use, this was done with the stored gowns. It is true the UK government sent various stock to help China fight the virus rather than ring fence everything they held for internal supply like Turkey did, but that simply points out the humanitarian efforts of the UK government and not a failing.

The biggest failing of this government and other earlier governments was not to learn from the shortages of WWII where the UK had supply problems due to U-Boats. They should have ensured that the UK was self sufficient but failed to do so.
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Re: Wales to ease Lockdown rules
« Reply #19 on: Sunday 10 May 20 07:47 BST (UK) »
The UK is 4th in total cases. Deaths stand at 465 per million.


Belgium is 15th in total cases. Deaths stand at 740 per million, a third HIGHER by % than ours.


No one really hears anything about the situation in Belgium although I did notice yesterday it appeared on the country comparison graph. Which shows the graph is meaningless as it compares number of deaths, not % of the population. The US tops the list for number of deaths but it's 242 per million. A true nation to nation comparison is probably impossible at the moment as numbers are reported differently and the situation constantly changes.


My neighbour's grandson is in Army logistics & his unit have been sent to Belgium to help there.

 
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Re: Wales to ease Lockdown rules
« Reply #20 on: Sunday 10 May 20 08:00 BST (UK) »
I think this proves the saying: There are lies, damn lies and statistics.  All numbers can be manipulated to use in an argument.

From an Australian whose country has one federal government, six state governments and two territory governments.  All doing their own thing and sending their own messages.  Probably the best thing was all returning passengers are isolated in a hotel for fourteen days.  This was started after many asked to self isolate didn't.
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Re: Wales to ease Lockdown rules
« Reply #21 on: Sunday 10 May 20 08:41 BST (UK) »

From an Australian whose country has one federal government, six state governments and two territory governments.  All doing their own thing and sending their own messages.  Probably the best thing was all returning passengers are isolated in a hotel for fourteen days.  This was started after many asked to self isolate didn't.

Precisely, and if we "ask" or "request" people to isolate for 14 days, it isn't going to happen in the most part
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Re: Wales to ease Lockdown rules
« Reply #22 on: Sunday 10 May 20 08:46 BST (UK) »
So here Guy are another set of facts for you to research and act as an apologist for the government.  That should keep you amused for a while at any rate:

March 2nd Boris Johnson attends his first Cobra meeting, declining another opportunity to join European PPE scheme. Government’s own scientists say over half a million Brit’s could die if virus left unrestrained. Johnson tells country “We are very, very well prepared.”
March 3rd Scientists urge Government to advise public not to shake hands. Boris Johnson brags about shaking hands of Coronavirus patients.
March 4th Government stops providing daily updates on virus following a 70% spike in UK cases. They will later U-turn on this amid accusations they are withholding vital information.
March 5th Boris Johnson tells public to ‘wash their hands and business as usual’
March 7th Boris Johnson joins 82,000 people at Six Nations match.
March 9th After Ireland cancels St Patrick’s day parades, the government says there’s “No Rationale” for cancelling sporting events.
March 10th - 13th Cheltenham takes place, more than a quarter of a million people attend.
March 11th 3,000 Atletico Madrid fans fly to Liverpool.
March 12th Boris Johnson states banning events such as Cheltenham will have little effect. The Imperial College study finds the government’s plan is projected to kill half a million people.
March 13th The FA suspends the Premier League, citing an absence of Government guidance. Britain is invited to join European scheme for joint purchase of ventilators, and refuses. Boris Johnson lifts restrictions of those arriving from Coronavirus hot spots.
March 14th Government is still allowing mass gatherings, as Stereophonics play to 5,000 people in Cardiff.
March 16th Boris Johnson asks Britons not to go to pubs, but allows them to stay open. During a conference call, Johnson jokes that push to build new ventilators should be called ‘Operation Last Gasp’
March 19th Hospital patients with Coronavirus are returned to care homes in a bid to free up hospital space. What follows is a boom of virus cases in care homes.
March 20th The Government states that PPE shortage crisis is “Completely resolved” Less than two weeks later, the British Medical Association reports an acute shortage in PPE.
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Re: Wales to ease Lockdown rules
« Reply #23 on: Sunday 10 May 20 08:47 BST (UK) »
Incoming travellers to the UK will  be quarantining for their own safety, if the reckless idiots in this country carry on the way they have been this weekend  >:(
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Re: Wales to ease Lockdown rules
« Reply #24 on: Sunday 10 May 20 08:51 BST (UK) »
Incoming travellers to the UK will  be quarantining for their own safety, if the reckless idiots in this country carry on the way they have been this weekend  >:(

However the government had been pushing the VE Day commemorations knowing that people would go out and party.  Was that a cynical ploy to get people to mix and find out what the infection rate will be in two weeks' time?  A trial run for re-opening England at the beginning of June?   The BBC certainly was encouraging people to go out and party and as the booze flowed the chairs got closer together.  One wonders what all those who gave their lives in WW2 would make of the situation.
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Re: Wales to ease Lockdown rules
« Reply #25 on: Sunday 10 May 20 08:57 BST (UK) »
Well said indeed Greensleeves, brains beats Blimp!  ;D

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Re: Wales to ease Lockdown rules
« Reply #26 on: Sunday 10 May 20 09:20 BST (UK) »
I see the latest is that the Government has had to send 50,000 tests to the US as we couldn't deal with them. “ The Department of Health said sending swabs abroad are among the contingencies to deal with "teething problems".”  For goodness sake, we’ve been in lockdown for over 6 weeks, the virus has been in the country for longer than that. If we are having to send our samples abroad, that must mean they were better prepared than we were!
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