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William Cecil and sons from Kenilworth to Melbourne circa 1853
« on: Saturday 09 May 20 11:34 BST (UK) »
Hello troops trying to find offspring of a William Cecil who was born in Kenilworth, Montgomeryshire ( or Skenfrith) about 1810. He seems to have come to Australia (Melbourne) about 1853. He had a number of sons including Thomas (1839-1912), William Alfred (1843-1902), Philip (1848-1866), and Charles Henry (1852-1928) all of whom died in Victoria. Efforts thru trove have been scanty.
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Re: William Cecil and sons from Kenilworth to Melbourne circa 1853
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 09 May 20 12:10 BST (UK) »

Using BDM Victoria index, the sons you have named have death records with mother Theresa COLES.


This death certificate will have good information about her origins, her marriage and her chidren.

9142/1871  CECIL  Theresa   parents  Ester / Coles Thomas  spouse CECIL, William
died at WARW  age 56


The Argus 22 Nov 1871 p8
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/5857201?

THE Friends of Mr. WILLIAM CECIL.....his late wife.... Melbourne General
Cemetery..... residence of her son-in-law, Mr. J. M Quade, 26 Grattan-street, Carlton,
THIS DAY, at 1 o'clock.


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Re: William Cecil and sons from Kenilworth to Melbourne circa 1853
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 09 May 20 12:41 BST (UK) »

VIV BDM marriage
610/1869  CECIL Helen   marr. MCQUADE, John

death
4793/1916  MCQUADE Helen  parents  Helen COLE / Mcquade Cecil Wm
died  Brswck  age 69
(born ~ 1837)

Census 1851 at 47 Regent St Leamington Priors Warwickshire
CECIL William    40y                           b. Skenfrith Monmouthshire
CECIL Theresa   35y                           b. Southam Warwickshire
CECI  Theresa   10y    dau                  b. Reading Berkshire
CECIL Wm          7y   son                   b. Reading Berkshire
CECIL Helen        4y   dau                   b. Reading Berkshire
CECIL Philip        2y    dau                   b. Reading Berkshire
CECIL Augusta M 1y    dau                   b. Leamington Warwickshire
COES Esther       27y   visitor              b. Southam Warwickshire

(I cannot read the occupation for William CECIL) 





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Re: William Cecil and sons from Kenilworth to Melbourne circa 1853
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 09 May 20 13:07 BST (UK) »

VIV BDM marriage
610/1869  CECIL Helen   marr. MCQUADE, John

death
4793/1916  MCQUADE Helen  parents  Helen COLE / Mcquade Cecil Wm
died  Brswck  age 69
(born ~ 1837)

Census 1851 at 47 Regent St Leamington Priors Warwickshire
CECIL William    40y                           b. Skenfrith Monmouthshire
CECIL Theresa   35y                           b. Southam Warwickshire
CECI  Theresa   10y    dau                  b. Reading Berkshire
CECIL Wm          7y   son                   b. Reading Berkshire
CECIL Helen        4y   dau                   b. Reading Berkshire
CECIL Philip        2y    dau                   b. Reading Berkshire
CECIL Augusta M 1y    dau                   b. Leamington Warwickshire
COES Esther       27y   visitor              b. Southam Warwickshire

(I cannot read the occupation for William CECIL)

1841: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MQRC-4TP

1851, it just says employing 3 men for occupation: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGZY-KTM

Jun 1838 Southam 16 467
CECIL William
COLES Theresa

No son Thomas.

CECIL, THERESA mmn COLES 
GRO Reference: 1841  J Quarter in READING  Volume 06  Page 219
Marriage: 3731/1862 TREVENA Henry
Death: 1562/1913 at Fitzroy North
Children:
23168/1863 Theresa Cecil - unmarried - died 14083/1893
4991/1867 Ellen Augusta Elizth - unmarried - died 2054/1943
18968/1869 Frances Cecil - unmarried - died 5568/1941
12379/1874 William Henry - died 12086/1874
5193/1880 Hy Cecil - married 1037/1907 Ethel ARCHER - died 12013/1949
TREVENA/ARCHER children:
10395/1907 Hy Cecil
10618/1909 Herbt Forrester - died 10153/1953
TREVENA Herbert F Death notice 9-9-1953 Death at Brunswick The Age (Melbourne) 12-9-1953
12255/1913 Jno Jospeh
TREVENA John Joseph (Jack) Death notice 4-9-1991 Publication The Age (Melbourne) 4-9-1991
19059/1919 Stanley Wm
TREVENA STANLEY WILLIAM : Service Number - V38109 : Date of birth - 01 Jul 1919 : Place of birth - FITZROY VIC : Place of enlistment - AREA 29A VIC : Next of Kin - TREVENA HENRY

CECIL, WILLIAM mmn COLES 
GRO Reference: 1843  J Quarter in READING  Volume 06  Page 222
Died: 15052/1902 CECIL Wm at MELTON

CECIL, ALFRED mmn COLES 
GRO Reference: 1845  M Quarter in READING  Volume 06  Page 280
Death: CECIL, ALFRED  1 
GRO Reference: 1846  M Quarter in READING  Volume 06  Page 176

CECIL, HELEN mmn COLES 
GRO Reference: 1846  D Quarter in READING  Volume 06  Page 260
Married: 610/1869 MCQUADE John
Died: 4793/1916 at BRUNSWICK
Death notice, 1st column: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article2105319

CECIL, PHILIP mmn COLES 
GRO Reference: 1848  S Quarter in READING  Volume 06  Page 238
Death: 8458/1866

CECIL, AUGUSTA  MARY mmn COLES 
GRO Reference: 1850  J Quarter in WARWICK UNION  Volume 16  Page 616
Unmarried
Died: 3584/1918

CECIL, CHARLES  HENRY mmn COLES 
GRO Reference: 1852  J Quarter in WARWICK UNION  Volume 06D  Page 422
Death: 265/1928 at BALWYN

6150/1859 CECIL Albert Leicester
Died: 727/1878

VIC deaths:

8877/1912 Thos at BRUNSWICK

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Re: William Cecil and sons from Kenilworth to Melbourne circa 1853
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 09 May 20 14:04 BST (UK) »
Thanks all - great leads.
Too much to dream that one of William Cecil descendants to find this thread.

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Re: William Cecil and sons from Kenilworth to Melbourne circa 1853
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 09 May 20 14:16 BST (UK) »
Arrived on GREAT BRITAIN 11 August 1853
William 45 an ironmonger
Thomas 14
William 10

Arrived on HOTSPUR 30 June 1957
Theresa Snr
Theresa
Helen
Philip
Augusta
Charles

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Re: William Cecil and sons from Kenilworth to Melbourne circa 1853
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 10 May 20 02:03 BST (UK) »
His probate papers, will and inventory are digitised.

William CECIL, farmer, of Oak Farm, near Melton Victoria, died 15 June 1882

Deposition names his children:
Thomas, William, Charles and Augusta CECIL, Theresa TREVENA, Helen McQUADE

He leaves most of his estate to be divided equally among his children with extra provision to Helen McQUADE  'on account of her great kindness to me and because she has a large family to support'.

https://prov.vic.gov.au/explore-collection/explore-topic/wills-and-probates

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Re: William Cecil and sons from Kenilworth to Melbourne circa 1853
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 10 May 20 02:11 BST (UK) »
An obit for him
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/89688714

Death Notice
CECIL. —On the 16th inst., of paralysis, William Cecil, of Oak Farm, Melton, grandson of the Rev. Mr. Cecil of Skinfrith, Monmouthshire, England, aged 72 years. Home papers please copy.

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/11545128

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Re: William Cecil and sons from Kenilworth to Melbourne circa 1853
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 10 May 20 02:40 BST (UK) »
CECIL, HELEN mmn COLES 
GRO Reference: 1846  D Quarter in READING  Volume 06  Page 260
Married: 610/1869 MCQUADE John
Died: 4793/1916 at BRUNSWICK
Death notice, 1st column: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article2105319


I can’t access VICBDM at the mo.

From husband John’s probate application, of 1885 (he died 31-8-1879), the McQuabe children are, and from Helen’s death notice, the girls are Mrs W Key and Mrs A McPhail. William is in WA:

James Cecil - married 1899 GARNER Florence Elizabeth
Marriage, 4th column: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article138616684
303/809
St Kilda Cemetery Independent, Compartment C, Grave 7X
McQUADE Florence Elizabeth 29 August 1933
McQUADE James Cecil 21 December 1938
James C MCQUADE Date of grant: 01 Apr 1939; Date of death: 20 Dec 1938; Occupation: Manufacturer; Residence: Camberwell
PHYSICAL ITEM Not yet digitised
DATE:1938
SERIES:Wills
AGENCY:Master of the Supreme Court
CITATION:VPRS 7591/ P2  unit 1070,  item 303/809

303/809
James C MCQUADE Date of grant: 01 Apr 1939; Date of death: 20 Dec 1938; Occupation: Manufacturer; Residence: Camberwell
PHYSICAL ITEM Not yet digitised
DATE:1938
SERIES:Probate and Administration Files
AGENCY:Registrar of Probates, Supreme Court
CITATION:VPRS 28/ P3  unit 3211,  item 303/809
Probate: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-6W39-PXH?i=405&cc=1393345&personaUrl=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3AJVH7-548
Child: 1900 Lillian Ellie - married Stuart Kitchener Andrews - died 1973 (needs to be verified whe VICBDM is working)
Springvale Botanical Cemetery - cremation
ANDREWS Stuart Kitchener 13 June 1961
ANDREWS Lillian Ellie 23 July 1973

William Henry

Alberta Cecilia - married KEY William John - died 26-4-1931
William died: 11-3-1949
Probate: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-677Q-32H?i=264&cc=1393345&personaUrl=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3AJV65-44C
Death notice, William, 2nd column: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article205357734
Fawkner Memorial Park Church Of England O, Grave 2791
KEY Alberta Cecilia 28 April 1931 age 54
KEY William John 15 March 1949 age 76
Children:
1904 Ernest Oliver Cecil
Christening: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XTCC-SX9
Fawkner Memorial Park Presbyterian E, Grave 615
KEY Ernest Oliver 23 August 1972 age 67
KEY Gladys M 31 October 1960 age 52
Stella
Edna - married PAWSON Patrick Vincent
Death notice, Edna: https://www.weeklytimesnow.com.au/tributes/notice/death-notices/pawson-edna-elle/3650350/
PAWSON Patrick Vincent Death notice 8-1-1976 Death at Chelsea Hospital, late of Chelsea The Age (Melbourne) 9-1-1976
Patrick: https://billiongraves.com/grave/PATRICK-VINCENT-PAWSON/4261234   

Augusta Mary Cecil - married McPHAIL Alexander
Fawkner Memorial Park Protestant D, Grave 554
McPHAIL Augusta Mary 14 April 1966 age 88

John George
556/770
John George MCQUADE Date of grant: 22 Jul 1960; Date of death: 06 May 1960; Occupation: Retired; Residence: E Brunswick
PHYSICAL ITEM Not yet digitised
DATE:1960
SERIES:Wills
AGENCY:Master of the Supreme Court
CITATION:VPRS 7591/ P3  unit 329,  item 556/770

556/770
John George MCQUADE Date of grant: 22 Jul 1960; Date of death: 06 May 1960; Occupation: Retired; Residence: E Brunswick
PHYSICAL ITEM Not yet digitised
DATE:1960
SERIES:Probate and Administration Files
AGENCY:Registrar of Probates, Supreme Court
CITATION:VPRS 28/ P4  unit 2103,  item 556/770
Probate: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-68NG-L5?i=588&cc=1393345&personaUrl=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3AJVH1-RMW

The family on FamilySearch, not all correct though, ie the father’s death: https://ancestors.familysearch.org/en/K8RK-H7P/augusta-mary-cecil-mcquade-1877-1966

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