Seeking Parents of William James b c1850 who married Emma Double 1873

[Ladyhawk]

There are others William James' in Monmouthshire who have similar dates of birth but not sure of them having George as a father.

I'm still seeking George by the way who is absent from Mary living with her parents in 1851 when William is just one years old.

I believe George is living at this time  but perhaps incarcerated!

Ideas anyone?

Haven't found the George you are looking for whose not with Mary and son William on 1851 census 

There's another George & Mary JAMES with son William born c 1848

1851 Village, Caldicot, Chepstow, Monmouthshire
George   James   1813   Ag Lab   Caldicot
Mary   James           1821      Caldicot
Ann   James           1841      Caldicot
Sarah   James   1843      Caldicot
Lidia   James           1845      Caldicot
William   James   1848      Caldicot
Henry   James   1850      Caldicot

William James
Baptism 23 Jun 1848
Place   Caldicot
Father George, labouer Mother Mary

William JAMES mmn CARTER 
1848  J Quarter in OF CHEPSTOW  Volume 26  Page 91

Lydia James
Baptism    28 Dec 1844
Place   Caldicot
Father George, labourer Mother   Mary

Lidia JAMES  mmn CARTER
1844  D Quarter in OF CHEPSTOW  Volume 26  Page 63

Henry James
Baptism 10 Feb 1850
Place   Caldicot
Father George, labourer Mother Mary

Henry JAMES mmn CARTER 
1850  M Quarter in OF CHEPSTOW  Volume 26  Page 73

[Robincrook]

I am currently looking at your post, Ladyhawk! I will feed back in time. Regards. Robin.

[Ladyhawk]

Hi Robin - one last post for this evening........are the witnesses to George & Mary's marriage,
their siblings and did they marry each other?

25th July 1849

John JAMES f/a, single, labourer, Llanvihangel Tor-y-Mynd
Father George, labourer

Hannah GRIFFITHS f/a, single, Wonastow
Father George, farmer

Witnesses Ann GRIFFITHS & Henry Ja?es (possibly James)
All made their mark (x)

Perhaps there's a George, John and maybe a Henry James together on 1841 census 

Have not checked for John & Hannah James on 1851 census to check ages or places of birth

EDIT to add - think this is John & Hannah

1871 Near the Farm Penalt
John   James   Head 1823 Monmouthshire, Wales
Hannah E   James   1819    Penalt Monmouthshire, Wales
Matthew J James   Son 1850   Monmouthshire, Wales
Charlotte A   James   Daughter 1853   Monmouthshire, Wales
William H   James   Son                  1858   Monmouthshire, Wales
Susanna   James   Daughter          1861   Monmouthshire

JAMES, MATTHEW  JAMES   Mmn GRIFFITHS
1849  D Quarter in OF CHEPSTOW  Volume 26  Page 68   

JAMES, CHARLOTTE  ANN     mmn GRIFFITHS 
1852  J Quarter in MONMOUTH  Volume 11A  Page 44

JAMES, WILLIAM  HOOK   mmn GRIFFITHS
1858  M Quarter in MONMOUTH  Volume 11A  Page 44   

1881 Woodbine Cottage
Hannah E   James   Head   Married   1819   Ag Labs Wife   Penallt, Monmouthshire
Matthew   Griffiths   Brother   Widower   1834   General Labourer   Cwmcarvan, Monmouthshire
William H   James   Son   1859   Ag Lab   Llanishen, Monmouthshire, Wales
Edith   Griffiths   Niece   1871    Trelleck, Monmouthshire, Wales
Edith   James   Grand Daughter   1872    Penallt, Monmouthshire

1891 Woodbine Cottage, Hoop Road, Penallt, Monmouth
John   James   Head   Married   1823   Farm Labourer   Tor y myndyd Monmouthshire,
Hannah E   James   Wife   1818 Penalt Monmouthshire
William   James   Son   1858   General Labourer   Llanishen, Monmouthshire

[Ladyhawk]

Hannah Elizabeth Griffiths
Baptism 11 Oct 1818
Place   Penallt
Father George, labourer Mother Sarah

Pretty sure this is Hannah nee Griffiths Surname wrongly transcribed on 1861c

1851 Shop Corner, Cwmcarvan, Monmouth
John   James   1824   Agriculturer Lab Monmouthshire, Wales
Elizabeth   Wife   1820   Penalth Monmouthshire, Wales
Mathew Son   1850   Monmouthshire, Wales
John   Whitunn   Lodger   Unmarried   1818   Shepperd   Gloucestershire

1861 Road, Trelleck, Monmouth
John   Janes Head 1826   Labourer   Monmouthshire, Wales
Hannah E   Wife   1820   -   Monmouthshire, Wales
Mathew   son 1850 Llanishen, Monmouthshire, Wales
Sarah H   Daughter   1853   Cwmcarvan, Monmouthshire, Wales
William    Son            1858  Llanishen, Monmouthshire, Wales
Mary E   Daughter   1854. Cwmcarvan, Monmouthshire, Wales
Hannah   Daugher    1856    Cwmcarvan, Monmouthshire, Wales
Susannah   Daughter   1861    Trelleck, Monmouthshire

[Robincrook]

Wow.... Ladyhawk you have been busy. Thanks for all of that. I'm having a weekend off! Will be back on it very soon and will take my time to see clearly what you have recently posted. I do appreciate you taking an interest. It is time consuming but from my point of view keeping me sane through lockdown! 

[Robincrook]

Just looking in Monmouthshire in 1851 there are a couple of children named William James with a father, George - but one George is an Ag Lab and the other a Coal Miner at that stage.

The first is in Caldicot and the second in Risca -- the latter is within Newport Reg Dist. for sure.

There are also a couple of Williams living with a grandparent - which is no help.

I have followed through on George in Risca, the Coal miner, and he can be discounted as he still has William living in the family home in 1861 and 1871. Ladyhawk also indicated he may have died aged 24.
Regarding the William in Caldicot I could not find him in 1861 but he was back living with his widowed mother in 1871. Therefore both families can be discounted.

[Robincrook]

"I am particularly interested in the Mary James and William below. William's father is George but not noted here. In fact he is an enigma and so is his wife Mary in that apart from this Census I cannot find either of them after 1851.
Census 1851 Monmouth Cwmcarvan
George Griffiths Hd 56 Farmer of 50 Acres b Permatth
Sarah Griffiths Wife 62 b Cwmcarvan
George Son unm 23 b Permatth
Harriett Dau unm 18 b Trellick
Mary James Dau Mar 21 Ag Lab Wife b Permatth
William G James Gnd Son 1 b Trellick

William in this family is in Bristol with his Aunt in 1861 I however cannot legitimately link him to the William in the Army in 1871."


Thanks to "osprey"   it very much looks like the parents of William who married Emma Double in Colchester remain a mystery. Interesting as it has been to follow up on this family, it is evident that this is not the William I am seeking! It's back to the drawing board I'm afraid with a clean sheet of paper!