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Re: Southampton - Where are these places?
« Reply #9 on: Saturday 16 May 20 22:09 BST (UK) »
Walter Thomas Harding Alner marries in 1867.  Can't locate him in 1861 yet in case he anything to do with it.

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Re: Southampton - Where are these places?
« Reply #10 on: Sunday 17 May 20 10:38 BST (UK) »
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So I'm looking at the Alners who lived at 12 St. Mary's Place in 1861, 1871 and 1881.

1871 has an Elizabeth Abbinett age 63 at 12 St Marys Place doesn't it?

She is on her own - living derived from house property

Maybe Mary was her companion for a time.

Perhaps.  That's something I hadn't considered.  How would a lady advertise for such a companion back then I wonder?
East London:
Happe/Hoppe (St. Georges in the East)
Stanley (middle name Thurston)
Rondeau (Spitalfields and Salford)
Jones (Bishopsgate - Thomas, Ostrich Feather Manufacturer)
Wood (London City)
McDermott (Londonderry and Stepney)
Upcraft (Bethnal Green)
Chidgey (Shoredtich)
Grim (Bethnal Green)
Row (Mast makers in Wapping)
Spurden (Stepney and Pancras)
Glibbery (Bishopsgate)

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Re: Southampton - Where are these places?
« Reply #11 on: Sunday 17 May 20 10:52 BST (UK) »
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How would a lady advertise for such a companion back then I wonder?

In the newspapers.
Both sides advertised.
I think there were also agencies.

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Re: Southampton - Where are these places?
« Reply #12 on: Sunday 17 May 20 11:00 BST (UK) »
I don't suppose they gave their names in the adverts.

Mary's sister ran a ladies college in London before her marriage. And Mary's mother Ann Allom also ran a school in Halstead according to the 1851 census.

When Mary's mother died in 1893 she left the equivalent of £340,000 to her 'only daughter' Ellen.  I wonder if she even knew that her eldest daughter had died in poverty a few years before?
East London:
Happe/Hoppe (St. Georges in the East)
Stanley (middle name Thurston)
Rondeau (Spitalfields and Salford)
Jones (Bishopsgate - Thomas, Ostrich Feather Manufacturer)
Wood (London City)
McDermott (Londonderry and Stepney)
Upcraft (Bethnal Green)
Chidgey (Shoredtich)
Grim (Bethnal Green)
Row (Mast makers in Wapping)
Spurden (Stepney and Pancras)
Glibbery (Bishopsgate)


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Re: Southampton - Where are these places?
« Reply #13 on: Sunday 17 May 20 11:08 BST (UK) »
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How would a lady advertise for such a companion back then I wonder?

In the newspapers.
Both sides advertised.
I think there were also agencies.

In the 19th Century there were 'Register Offices' which was the commonly used name for employment agencies, servants, governesses, and companions  looking for new positions would register with them. The term seems to have disappeared towards the end of the century to be replaced by Employment Agency. Other terms used were "Intelligence Office for Servants" or "Domestic Servants Intelligence Office" and "Servants Home and Registry"
From the Bristol Times and Mirror 30 January 1869

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Re: Southampton - Where are these places?
« Reply #14 on: Sunday 17 May 20 11:28 BST (UK) »
Intriguing.  I suppose the most logical explanation is that she was in Southampton as either a governess, teacher or ladies companion.

What a fall from grace.
East London:
Happe/Hoppe (St. Georges in the East)
Stanley (middle name Thurston)
Rondeau (Spitalfields and Salford)
Jones (Bishopsgate - Thomas, Ostrich Feather Manufacturer)
Wood (London City)
McDermott (Londonderry and Stepney)
Upcraft (Bethnal Green)
Chidgey (Shoredtich)
Grim (Bethnal Green)
Row (Mast makers in Wapping)
Spurden (Stepney and Pancras)
Glibbery (Bishopsgate)

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Re: Southampton - Where are these places?
« Reply #15 on: Tuesday 19 May 20 11:59 BST (UK) »
I don't seem to be able to find Dorset Terrace in any census.  What am I doing wrong?

The birth certificate definitely says Dorset Terrace.
East London:
Happe/Hoppe (St. Georges in the East)
Stanley (middle name Thurston)
Rondeau (Spitalfields and Salford)
Jones (Bishopsgate - Thomas, Ostrich Feather Manufacturer)
Wood (London City)
McDermott (Londonderry and Stepney)
Upcraft (Bethnal Green)
Chidgey (Shoredtich)
Grim (Bethnal Green)
Row (Mast makers in Wapping)
Spurden (Stepney and Pancras)
Glibbery (Bishopsgate)

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Re: Southampton - Where are these places?
« Reply #16 on: Tuesday 19 May 20 12:08 BST (UK) »
I don't seem to be able to find Dorset Terrace in any census.  What am I doing wrong?

The birth certificate definitely says Dorset Terrace.

That site in reply #2 says

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Dorset Terrace was formerly in Waterhouse Lane, Millbrook, on the west side near the north end.


But I have not found Waterhouse Lane yet either!

Added...found it, enter Millbrook, not Southampton.

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Re: Southampton - Where are these places?
« Reply #17 on: Tuesday 19 May 20 12:11 BST (UK) »
I found Water House Lane (It was listed as two words on Find My Past) but scrolling through the images, there's no Dorset Terrace mentioned.
East London:
Happe/Hoppe (St. Georges in the East)
Stanley (middle name Thurston)
Rondeau (Spitalfields and Salford)
Jones (Bishopsgate - Thomas, Ostrich Feather Manufacturer)
Wood (London City)
McDermott (Londonderry and Stepney)
Upcraft (Bethnal Green)
Chidgey (Shoredtich)
Grim (Bethnal Green)
Row (Mast makers in Wapping)
Spurden (Stepney and Pancras)
Glibbery (Bishopsgate)