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Re: Intrathecal antibody test
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 20 May 20 22:04 BST (UK) »
I was led to believe it was the returning Teachers who fear catching it off the children.

However, my neighbour a County Council Teacher has been working (on a rota due to being partially open) throughout the Lockdown, to provide schooling for children of Key Workers and the Vulnerable Children. Also my Town was one of the top four Coronavirus hot-spots recently.

Therefore, I find the Teachers & their Union stance very odd especially when:-
some of their Teacher Colleagues,
NHS Hospitals,
NHS Staff,
NHS Casualty Command,
Private Hospital support,
Hotels providing support,
Professors,
Consultants,
Doctors,
Public Health,
Scientists,
Drug & Vaccine Researchers,
Human trials,
Specialists,
Epidemiologists,
University Research Scientists,
Laboratories,
Construction Industry (support for urgent related works),
Carers,
Farmers,
National Agency covering Crime & Fraud,
Food distribution,
Supermarkets (staff just 2 feet away when I'm paying),
Drivers,
Postal workers,
Water,
Engineers making Ventilators,
Medical Equipment makers & suppliers,
Medical Clothing makers & suppliers,
Chemists,
Oxygen Makers and Suppliers,
Clothing Makers,
Councils,
Gas workers,
Electricity workers,
Telephone workers,
Insurance,
Police, 
Fire,
Ambulance,
Air Ambulance,
Air Traffic Controllers,
Cargo Aircraft,
Coastguard,
Bus staff,
Train staff,
Tube staff,
Army,
Royal Navy,
Royal Air Force,
Emergency Planners,
Local Resilience, 
Ministers,
Government Departments,
Committees, Health etc & Coronavirus Sub-Committees,
Thousands of Government Pensioners who have come out of Retirement and returned to work.
M.P.s,
Local Gov't,
Banks,
other Essential Workers,
Volunteers, etc., etc.,

have worked and are working throughout a National Emergency.

Mark

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Re: Intrathecal antibody test
« Reply #10 on: Thursday 21 May 20 07:53 BST (UK) »
It is true that many public sector people have continued working, and for that I am grateful of course.

The teachers are very afraid of wrecking what the lockdown has achieved so far.

Keep in mind the jolly Korean who visited a few night clubs and from that 100 people became infected, though fortunately their track and trace system prevented any deaths, so far.

Take an average family where 3 children go to 3 different schools of 600 to 1,000 children each.

I don't think one needs to be a scientist to realise how easily one child could, potentially, cause a resurgence and a second wave.
BORCHARDT in Poland/Germany, BOSKOWITZ in Hungary + Austria, BUSS in Germany, FEKETE in Hungary + Austria, GOTTHILF in Hammerstein, GUBLER in Switzerland, KONIG in Germany, KRONER  & PLACZEK in Poland.

Also: ROWSE in Brixham, Tenby, Hull & Ramsgate. Strongman, in Falmouth. Champion. Coke. Eame/s. Gibbons. Passmore. Pulsever. Sparkes in Brixham & Ramsgate. Toms in Cornwall. Waymoth. Wyatt.

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Re: Intrathecal antibody test
« Reply #11 on: Thursday 21 May 20 08:15 BST (UK) »
There has been no second wave elsewhere so why should the Uk be different?
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Re: Intrathecal antibody test
« Reply #12 on: Thursday 21 May 20 08:54 BST (UK) »
I truly hope you are right and there is no need for further precautions Sonofthom.

The difference in new cases and deaths between Denmark and UK is vast, and there are other reasons why England/UK has been different, like not using January & February for preparation and not having an effective testing system in place..... but check out what is happening in Iran, and then be complacent.
BORCHARDT in Poland/Germany, BOSKOWITZ in Hungary + Austria, BUSS in Germany, FEKETE in Hungary + Austria, GOTTHILF in Hammerstein, GUBLER in Switzerland, KONIG in Germany, KRONER  & PLACZEK in Poland.

Also: ROWSE in Brixham, Tenby, Hull & Ramsgate. Strongman, in Falmouth. Champion. Coke. Eame/s. Gibbons. Passmore. Pulsever. Sparkes in Brixham & Ramsgate. Toms in Cornwall. Waymoth. Wyatt.

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Re: Intrathecal antibody test
« Reply #13 on: Thursday 21 May 20 09:33 BST (UK) »
I am certainly not being complacent but I am deeply concerned about the long term damage being done by lockdown. The British Medical Journal has referred to the "staggering" number of excess deaths during lockdown that are not due to the coronavirus and the effects of what the Chancellor envisages as the worst recession we have ever seen will be with us for many years, including excess mortality. This is shaping up to be the classic case of the cure being much worse than the disease.

As regards Iran I wouldn't regard it's figures as the most reliable and would see European comparisons as more credible. Nevertheless in Iran deaths peaked at 158 on 4th April and have been falling since.
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Re: Intrathecal antibody test
« Reply #14 on: Thursday 21 May 20 09:45 BST (UK) »
"As regards Iran I wouldn't regard it's figures as the most reliable and would see European comparisons as more credible. Nevertheless in Iran deaths peaked at 158 on 4th April and have been falling since"......

.....But the new cases are climbing in a dramatic manner.

Obviously we are hitting (have hit,) a GLOBAL commercial low.

In the UK specifically, I imagine our government may well consider the Covid crisis a boon and a blessing as it is veiling all other important issues.

Looks like we may just have to take it on the chin!
BORCHARDT in Poland/Germany, BOSKOWITZ in Hungary + Austria, BUSS in Germany, FEKETE in Hungary + Austria, GOTTHILF in Hammerstein, GUBLER in Switzerland, KONIG in Germany, KRONER  & PLACZEK in Poland.

Also: ROWSE in Brixham, Tenby, Hull & Ramsgate. Strongman, in Falmouth. Champion. Coke. Eame/s. Gibbons. Passmore. Pulsever. Sparkes in Brixham & Ramsgate. Toms in Cornwall. Waymoth. Wyatt.

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Re: Intrathecal antibody test
« Reply #15 on: Thursday 21 May 20 10:39 BST (UK) »
Hello

I recently experienced an act of human bravery, courage and human compassion that one human could show to another, when an NHS worker got real close and conducted tests, to try and discover the reason behind a mystery illness attacking my body in April and I had/have been strictly following the Rules.

There is an established view amongst some Professors that to produce a safe vaccine fast, the minimum time usually required to get a safe one is three (3) years.

There also seems to be a view amongst some health professionals that people currently hiding behind their Front Doors (without good reason like their immune system is already damaged/crashed) whilst good weather is here, possibly eating too much, having little or no exercise and gaining weight, are weakening their bodies and immune systems.

We also need our immune system to work to fight the virus attacking our bodies in the future, or if a second wave hits in 6 to 7 months time (Winter).

British media has whipped up so much fear, that people are missing possibly vital hospital appointments too.

Even if you could get contract tracing down to 24 hours, people contracting the Virus may already be infecting others before their symptoms show.

Some symptoms of Coronavirus are very subtle and a person may not realise that they already have the virus.

The only thing we can be sure of now, is that millions were still working throughout, millions are returning to work and tens of thousands are answering our Government's Call to come out of Retirement or Work to assist Government Departments during a National Emergency, also the wonderful bravery of NHS and Carers and the genuine Public acts and gifts of good spirit, decency and compassion shown to others.

It seems whichever way one chooses in relation to Coronavirus (shut yourself away, or carry on as normal with social distancing and good hygiene) there is a risk.

Mark

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Re: Intrathecal antibody test
« Reply #16 on: Thursday 21 May 20 11:29 BST (UK) »
I wholeheartedly agree Mark. I spent some time as  a patient in ICU some years ago and not only received excellent care but benefited greatly from the positive and reassuring attitude of all the staff.

Risk is something we have to live with and every year there are many flu related deaths which don't induce the level of panic currently being seen. It is very revealing that the Government adviser Professor Robert Dingwall has said that Government has 'terrorised' Britons into believing coronavirus will kill them; we are all paying the price for this in the irrational level of fear being experienced by much of the population. Stay home was probably a very bad slogan as lack of fresh air and exercise do not improve one's immune system; indeed there is ample evidence that sunshine and the resultant Vitamin D that it produces in our bodies enhances our immunity to viruses.

As for a vaccine it is conceivable that we will never have one or at best we are probably several years away. For the sake of our own futures and particularly for the futures of the younger generations we need to get accept risk as a part of life and start living our lives to the full again.

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Re: Intrathecal antibody test
« Reply #17 on: Thursday 21 May 20 11:43 BST (UK) »
Im with you Mark as well, but we are a few lone voices crying in the wilderness,  but I must add that for teachers and others it is a personal choice we should respect.

A random thought this, contact tracing is the answer say a new body of experts today,  but if everyone obeys social distancing rigorously there will never be any contacts.


My consultant wont let me have a CT scan,  Id rather you stay alive were his words.

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