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Re: Bevis Marks Records II and V - Look up request please
« Reply #27 on: Tuesday 26 May 20 21:34 BST (UK) »
Hi Justin

Julia Myers husband is down as Henry Barnett father Joseph Myers(dec) at end of info it does have a ? Grooms father
I looked at the entry for Henry which says same his patronymic says Zvi b Joseph
Henrys age is down as 30 and Julia as 24
I couldn't see a birth in the books I have at all.

Thank you very much for looking that up. There was a Barnett family in Frying pan alley that were fish fryers. It seems that everyone who lived there is hard to match up!
I appreciate your help.
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Re: Bevis Marks Records II and V - Look up request please
« Reply #28 on: Tuesday 26 May 20 22:06 BST (UK) »
According to the records I have, the 1821 marriage was between

Nachman son of Baruch son of Shlomo and Miryam daughter of Ya'acov (not Yitschak, i.e. Isaac)

Benjamin (Nachman) appears to have had two brothers, Abraham and Henry, who married a few years later.

Some Jewish men did have multiple given names, i.e. unrelated given names. Examples from the Great Synagogue marriage register are Benyamin-Chayim or Benyamin-Issachar or Ya'acov-Benyamin-Ezekiel. However, none of the Myers has a Benyamin/Ya'acov combination.

Matilda was the daughter of the cap maker Levy Bosman (b. 1820-24 Rotterdam), who married Elizabeth Phillips in the Great Synagogue on 14 May 1846. Their Hebrew names were Yehuda (known as Leyb) son of Shimshon and Brynah daughter of Pinchas (known as Zelig) the Levite. Levy/Levi was the common secular form of Yehuda-Leyb, such as in Levi Strauss.

Sandie - what does your book say about Julia Myers' father?

More questions ....

Justin

Hi Justin,
Thanks very much for this information as there are lots of new leads to try.
Shame there is no Benjamin Isaac combinations that you could find as that would have tied things together!

I don't know whether to give up on the Isaac 1829 living with Catherine as although this is the most likely fit and I have been working on that theory for a very long time I can't seem to tie Benjamin and Catherine together at all, unless Miryam daughter of Ya'acov was also known as Catherine?

I can't find a Benjamin and Miryam in the census records for 1841/51/61. There is a family in Yorkshire who could fit the bill but in 1841 they were born in the County and in 1851 and 1861 they say they were born in a Yorkshire village so unlikely and in this case this Benjamin's wife was Mary.

I decided to look into Benjamin's brothers Abraham and Henry. It looks like Henry could have been a trader and moved between the UK and US. There is a Henry son of Benjamin (Shlomo I guess?) who got the freedom of the city in 1836). So was Shlomo known as Benjamin I wonder?

The interesting one is Abraham. At the moment it looks like he lived in Ebenezer Sq, a stones throw from Frying Pan Alley and he was a carver and gilder. He had children including Benjamin and Julia. In a later census he says he was a picture dealer and an Abraham son of Benjamin, a picture dealer, was given the freedom of the city in 1835. Maybe he carved and gilded picture frames. There is no freedom of the city for a Benjamin son of Benjamin though.

This is the interesting bit, I have found a Bethlem admission for a Catherine Mayers 17 March 1831, a Jewish lady who was suffering from a mental illness after eating in public when she should have been fasting after having her 5th child (likely Henry if it is the 1841 Catherine). Standing surity was Abraham Mayers of 20 Ebenezer Sq, Gravel Lane, Houndsditch a carver and guilder - could this be Benjamin's brother Abraham son of Baruch son of Shlomo?
The only fly in the ointment is that the other surity was Emmanuel Mayers of Lowe or Love court, Middlesex St, whitechapel, a carver and guilder NOT Benjamin! In the document it says the husband was from 41 Middlesex St a carver and guilder, was 41 Lowe/Love Court?
If the husband was Emmanuel is it possible that Benjamin was also known as Emmanuel?? Is Emmanuel a common Jewish name? Also Isaac says his father was a sealing wax maker at 3 of his weddings (he gives his father as Benjamin and then Isaac twice but the father's job never changed). Is sealing wax part of the guiding process?

I guess I need to try and find out if the Benjamin and Miryam who married in 1821 went by any other name (like Emmanuel and Catherine!!). I can find Benjamin's brothers in 1841 and 1851 (and even Emmanuel who was not living with a Catherine by this stage maybe she died or they seperated) but I can't find Benjamin and Miryam.

The plot thickens!! Thank you very much for the additional leads, I will continue to look into them.

Best wishes
Emma
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Re: Bevis Marks Records II and V - Look up request please
« Reply #29 on: Tuesday 26 May 20 22:11 BST (UK) »
This is a fascinating post my uncles grandmother was a Esther Myers that left Stepney for Newcastle upon Tyne around 1914 we done some research and all names fit thanks David.

That is really interesting, thanks for your post. Do you know who Esther descends from in the list of candidates we have been discussing please? I am just wondering whether her father did anything to do with the confectionary /sugar trade?

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Re: Bevis Marks Records II and V - Look up request please
« Reply #30 on: Tuesday 26 May 20 22:27 BST (UK) »
Esthers the daughter of Abraham Myers and Matilda bosman .Esther is living in Stepney before she comes north her address is skidmore Street on the 1911 census she married 1st husband is a Charles Sayers’s he dies 1906 then she marries Charles brother Walter.

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Re: Bevis Marks Records II and V - Look up request please
« Reply #31 on: Wednesday 27 May 20 16:08 BST (UK) »
Just a quick one  myriam is same name as  mary
Be back  later  on  other  bits
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Re: Bevis Marks Records II and V - Look up request please
« Reply #32 on: Thursday 28 May 20 21:44 BST (UK) »
Esthers the daughter of Abraham Myers and Matilda bosman .Esther is living in Stepney before she comes north her address is skidmore Street on the 1911 census she married 1st husband is a Charles Sayers’s he dies 1906 then she marries Charles brother Walter.

Hi,
Ahh I see, thanks very much for getting back to me and for the information.
Ask the best to you,
Emma
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Re: Bevis Marks Records II and V - Look up request please
« Reply #33 on: Thursday 28 May 20 21:49 BST (UK) »
Just a quick one  myriam is same name as  mary
Be back  later  on  other  bits

Hi there,
That's great, thanks for letting me know. The only Benjamin and Mary combinations I can find are up in Yorkshire in 1841 but they could have just been away on census night.
I found an Emanuel as mentioned in Catherine Mayers Bethlam admission in 1841 living not far from Abraham the carver and gilder, not sure if there are any connections though and whether they tie into said Benjamin or whether Benjamin and Maria/Myriam
/Mary are the parents of Isaac 1829 as of yet though.
Thanks again for you help, I appreciate it.
Best wishes Emma
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Re: Bevis Marks Records II and V - Look up request please
« Reply #34 on: Friday 29 May 20 21:48 BST (UK) »
emma you asked

So was Shlomo known as Benjamin I wonder?   Shlomo is jewish name for Solomom
Benjamin isnt very different in hebrew   Binyamīm.

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Re: Bevis Marks Records II and V - Look up request please
« Reply #35 on: Friday 29 May 20 23:32 BST (UK) »
emma you asked

So was Shlomo known as Benjamin I wonder?   Shlomo is jewish name for Solomom
Benjamin isnt very different in hebrew   Binyamīm.

Hello,
Thank you very much for explaining that to me, it is really helpful.
I hope you have a lovely weekend.
All the best,
Emma
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