Tierney family and Healey's

[nattai]

Hi I am having trouble locating marriage records for the following any help would be much appreciated.

Thomas Tierney to Winifred Healey (Healy,Hely.Haley) both were Catholic's.

They were married in Gallway, Ireland  some time between 1839-1841 they immigrated to Australia in November 1841 on the ship the John Renwick.

On their shipping records it states that Thomas was from Ballygar, County Galway, and Winifred was from Kilkerrin,? Galway, Ireland

It also states that Thomas farther was named Mark Tierney and was deceased his mothers name was not mentioned.
Winifred's states that her father was Hugh Healey and her Mother was Catherine (Katherine) Kelley. Hugh was marked as deceased and Catherine was still alive in 1841.

Any help on their marriage or about their parents would be great.

Kind regards
Tim

[Sinann]

Marriages usually happen in the bride's parish and there doesn't appear to be any records for Kilkerrin before 1892
https://www.johngrenham.com/records/rc_church.php?churchid=1084&parish=Kilkerrin%20and%20Clonberne
Parish page
https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/1084
Ballygar is in the neighbouring parish
https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0545

[Kiltaglassan]

........Thomas was from Ballygar, County Galway, and Winifred was from Kilkerrin,? Galway, Ireland

Kilkerrin townland in Kilkerrin CP.
https://www.townlands.ie/galway/tiaquin/kilkerrin/shankill/kilkerrin/

Ballygar townland in Killeroran CP.
https://www.townlands.ie/galway/killian/killeroran/killeroran/ballygar/

They are about 20 km apart.

KG

[nattai]

Thank you all so much for your help, it is hard to read some of the old writing on documents there is one shipping records which states they came from or native places called Kilhocken or Kilkochen in Gallway. Is there such a place ?

And if so are there any Birth death or Marriage records for that area for 1800-1845

Kind regards 

[Sinann]

Possible the townland of Kilcornan which is in the  Civil Parish of Kilkerrin so in the same RC Parish.
RC Parishes are fairly big, they are made up of a few Civil Parishes and each Civil Parish has quite a few townlands and any towns or villages.
When giving where a person was from they often named the nearest town or named the parish rather than the townland which is why you can get different place names on different documents but they are essentially the same place.

The idea of townlands can be confusing to anyone outside Ireland (and lots of locals as well, particularly townies )  so it worth having a look at this
https://www.irish-genealogy-toolkit.com/Irish-land-divisions.html

[wivenhoe]

Is this your family?

Rookwood Cemetery M1**5**146 (buried in same plot)
TIERNEY Thomas  63y 27 Mar 1873
TIERNEY Winifred 58y  26 Mar 1875

BDM NSW death

733/1873 TIERNEY  Thomas parents     Thomas      died Surrey Hills     Sydney (24 May 1873)

877/1875 TIERNEY  Winifred  parents James / Margaret   @ Sydney   (24 Mar 1875)
 

New South Wales, Australia, Assisted Immigrant Passenger Lists, 1828 - 1896

Married male Immigrant
Thomas TIERNEY, Ballygar, arrived "John Renwick" County Galway,
son of Mark TIERNEY a labourer a widower
24 years R Catholic neither read or write

next page -
Married Female Immigrant
TIERNEY Winifred  arrived "John Renwick"
Native of Kil*** County Galway  daughter of Cath HEALEY a widow
farm labourer 23 years  R Catholic

next page -
James HALEY 17 a brother of Mrs TIERNEY

next page
CULLLEN Patrick 17 years from Galway  came out with his half brother.

Is Patrick CULLEN a half-brother to Thomas TIERNEY or James HEALEY?

Someone else might like to look at the shipping records to see what is written. More eyes are always useful.

[nattai]

Thank you all again, yes for an outsider it is difficult to understand the old Irish names and how their records are held. I am attaching one of the document for Margaret Healy you might see what I mean with the native place....

And member vivenhoe, yes the information you sent is my family, I am trying to find out about them before they came to Australia.

Thanks again

[Sinann]

Oh that place name is for a different woman, I did wonder why there was two place names.
Margaret Healy, a sister of Winifred.
I guess your hoping they were born in different parishes and records might survive for one of them.
Have you found any other records for Margaret that might give a clearly image of the place name.
Also the James Healy 17, any place name on his record.

[nattai]

Hi Sinann

Sadly there was no place name for James Healey their 17 year old brother , and there was another sister named Maria Healey also travelled with them but it only said native place Galway for her ..so its strange that Winifred and Margaret had two different native place names. Yes I was hoping the other place name records for Margaret was available, and their father Hugh was dead  when they came out in  1841 but their mother Catherine Healy nee Kelly was still alive...it so frustrating not being able to find any information any one of them in Galway.