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Charles Brice McGregor :
« on: Friday 22 May 20 09:12 BST (UK) »
Hi All…

I’d like to ask a favour.  Is there anyone out there who can help verify Charles Brice McGregor’s wife and eventually one child. 
McGregor has already been mentioned on RootsChat by myself a few years back but at the time, I was not creating his tree. 

Brice, as he called himself (not Charles) was a 3rd Foot Guards veteran from Waterloo before becoming a Yeoman of the Guard, then on to publican/Freemason for the three Regiments of Foot Guards at Horse Guards, Whitehall.

According to the Waterloo Roll Call, he was a native of Argyleshire, but when he enlisted in 1799, he put his birthplace and date down as Glasgow 24th June 1782. (perhaps an orphan)

Enlisted in Edinburgh by 1800 and was aged 18 years old. (Brown hair / Grey eyes / Fresh complexion / 5ft 9in / Labourer)  Discharged in 1823 in London. (“worn out” and received "a handsome pension")  After 1821, appointment Yeoman of the Guard.  1823 Suttling House (tavern) – Horse Guards.  Free Masonry Lodge of United Strength, No.228 - Freemasons' Hall, 60 Great Queen Street, London.
Died 27 November 1846.

I have his wife as Elizabeth McGheill (abt1785 - ? - ..., possibly Irish) and with a son called Frederick James McGregor.  Born abt1821 at Windsor, which would tally well with the Guards or Yeoman.  Frederick’s wife could have been Harriet Frances Davenport.

Can anyone confirm Elizabeth McGheill and son Frederick ?

Thanks in advance…, Iain.   ;)
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Re: Charles Brice McGregor :
« Reply #1 on: Friday 22 May 20 10:41 BST (UK) »
Two trees on A….y note Elizabeth as McGheill  but I can find no birth or marriage to confirm.
You may be aware of information below?

1841 – Westminster. From the description I guess this is them?
Bruce McGregor   59   Born Scotland
Elizabeth McGregor   56   Born Middlesex

Frederick James Mcgregor
Harriet Frances Davenport
Marriage 27/12/1839 Saint Martin In The Fields, Middlesex,

Sadly marriage records there on A…..y end in 1834 but the marriage certificate might help?

Possible death for Elizabeth certificate might help but nothing for Brice after 1841?

MCGREGOR, ELIZABETH       57 
GRO Reference: 1842  S Quarter in ST LUKE CHELSEA  Volume 03  Page 41

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Re: Charles Brice McGregor :
« Reply #2 on: Friday 22 May 20 14:57 BST (UK) »
Frederick & Harriet in 1841
F J Mcgregor (FMPast) or F Jill Gregor (Anc)
piece 673 book 5
folio 28 page 50

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Re: Charles Brice McGregor :
« Reply #3 on: Friday 22 May 20 16:32 BST (UK) »
Frederick & Harriet in 1841
F J Mcgregor (FMPast) or F Jill Gregor (Anc)
Took a look at the original. Ancestry is wrong (no surprise there).

I read it as
F J M'Gregor, 20, surgeon, not born in county
Harriet do, 20, born in county
Harriet E do, 3 months, born in county
Mary A smith, 12, F S, not born in county
Never trust anything you find online (especially submitted trees and transcriptions on Ancestry, MyHeritage, FindMyPast and other commercial web sites) unless it's an image of an original document - and even then be wary because errors can and do occur.


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Re: Charles Brice McGregor :
« Reply #4 on: Friday 22 May 20 17:52 BST (UK) »
Hi…  Thanks to both of you. 

I’ve already started an Ancestry tree for Brice but before accepting their ‘hints,’ I wanted to have his wife verified.  Ten hints are awaiting with three of them being obviously false, but that’s normal because I’ve not added enough info. 
Although it’s not necessary, I would like to find where he was born in Argyllshire.  In doing so and having his roots well established, that should help the search-engine.

In fact, I’m writing a book about my Regiment the Scots Guards (‘3rd Regiment of Foot Guards’) and the content revolves around our famous four ‘UK-Musketeers.’ (one of them had a halberd…, half-pike)  All four were on the same 1815 Company Returns for the 2nd Battalion’s Light Company, with one of the four called Mathew Clay.  Matthew’s descendent is a lady called Christine Dabbs and she has already been filmed with Sean Bean in relation to the Waterloo battle. 
Because of it, I’m now looking for a second descendent for Brice McGregor.
(The other two are just as important…, Ralph Fraser, the most decorated soldier in the British Army in 1816 plus Robert Gann, Wellington’s future servant at London N°1)
The book should be published in September. 

However; one step at a time !  Brice !
Lol…, in the acknowledgements at the back, RootsChat is well honoured for their enormous support concerning the research for this book; the first of three. 
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Re: Charles Brice McGregor :
« Reply #5 on: Friday 22 May 20 17:59 BST (UK) »
Forfarian…, Hi ! 

Sorry, but there’s absolutely no sense having a surgeon (especially a foreigner) in Brice’s descendants.   If Brice’s son was actually Frederick, then records have him as potato merchant. (and born in Windsor)

Thanks…
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Re: Charles Brice McGregor :
« Reply #6 on: Friday 22 May 20 18:10 BST (UK) »
PS
Please note…, I’ve already contacted Joan Habluetzel Machovina via Facebook and the family is simply not interested. (three contacts with them over the past six months and no reply) 
In the meantime, ‘her Frederick’ tree has an unknown father. (she knows nothing about Brice)
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Re: Charles Brice McGregor :
« Reply #7 on: Friday 22 May 20 18:19 BST (UK) »
Colin…, Hi !

Lol…, over the years, McGregor’s first name has been a subject of interest.
Bruce, Brice and many others…  However, following his death, the Freemasons offered his wife a broach.  On which is engraved Brice.
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Re: Charles Brice McGregor :
« Reply #8 on: Friday 22 May 20 19:45 BST (UK) »
Looks like Frederick died young.
Frederick James Mcgregor
age 32
Sept 1853
Fulham
When Harriet Elizabeth married in 1861, her father's occupation is deceased.
Harriet Frances remarried to Michael Madden in 1872.