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Re: Looking for the Parents of Elizabeth Frances Everson India
« Reply #27 on: Tuesday 02 June 20 14:16 BST (UK) »
All I've found is the above announcement.
Warks:Ashford;Cadby;Clarke;Clifford;Cooke Copage;Easthope;
Edmonds;Felton;Colledge;Lutwyche;Mander(s);May;Poole;Withers.
Staffs.Edmonds;Addison;Duffield;Webb;Fisher;Archer
Salop:Easthope,Eddowes,Hoorde,Oteley,Vernon,Talbot,De Neville.
Notts.Clarke;Redfearne;Treece.
Som.May;Perriman;Cox
India Kane;Felton;Cadby
London.Haysom.
Lancs.Gay.
Worcs.Coley;Mander;Sawyer.
Kings of Wessex & Scotland
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Re: Looking for the Parents of Elizabeth Frances Everson India
« Reply #28 on: Tuesday 02 June 20 15:28 BST (UK) »
what date is this marriage record?
where did you find it?

Please could you answer our questions so that we can help you. We do not know what sort of records you are looking at or when they date from or how reliable they are. You may be looking at actual extracted marriage records or it could be someone else's tree that may not be accurate.
I found the marriage record form The ASIATIC JOURNAL and Monthly Register for British and Foreign ,India,China and Australasia Vol. XXVII-New Series August-Nov. 1839.
  15 Nov. Howrah India 1839 St.Thomas's Church by the Rev. Mr Norgate and Subsequently at the Roman Catholic Church by Rev. Fre.Paul Gradoli Mr James Henry Saviel of Calcutta to Miss Eliza eldest daughter of Mr Thomas Spencer Colliards Head overseer of the Salt Golahs of Sulkeah.

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George T Saviel :)

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Re: Looking for the Parents of Elizabeth Frances Everson India
« Reply #29 on: Tuesday 02 June 20 16:55 BST (UK) »
well, it doesn't seem to be in the British India Office Ecclesiastical returns which are available via FindMyPast. It is in the Bombay Times.

Death notice for Thomas Spencer Colliard senior gives his death as 26 Oct 1840 at Sulkea - from the East India Register. He may have been married before Elizabeth Frances. There are some very young brides in the marriage registers at that time, but he married Elizabeth Frances in 1827 which would make any child of that marriage barely 12 at the time of the James Henry marriage.

James Henry Saviel died aged 69 12 Feb 1878 at Calcutta, noted as late of the Preventive Service - from the Times of India.

From the burial register General Episcopal Cemeteries, Circular Road, Park St, Calcutta
2 Feb 1898 Eliza Saviel 75 years 9 months widow of James Saviel, Gangrene (left leg). She was buried on the day she died. The burial service was performed by Carl L Olsen of the Old Church, not by the Catholic chaplain who performed a burial the next day. The age in years gives a date of birth in 1822.

You could try FIBIS for other records
https://www.fibis.org/

and the collection of the British Library
https://www.bl.uk/collection-guides/india-office-records
Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb


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Re: Looking for the Parents of Elizabeth Frances Everson India
« Reply #30 on: Tuesday 02 June 20 17:04 BST (UK) »
Some good information there.
Although I can't see a previous marriage it would make sense that he was married
before & Eliza was a product of that marriage. He then goes on to marry Elizabeth Everson in 1827.
Warks:Ashford;Cadby;Clarke;Clifford;Cooke Copage;Easthope;
Edmonds;Felton;Colledge;Lutwyche;Mander(s);May;Poole;Withers.
Staffs.Edmonds;Addison;Duffield;Webb;Fisher;Archer
Salop:Easthope,Eddowes,Hoorde,Oteley,Vernon,Talbot,De Neville.
Notts.Clarke;Redfearne;Treece.
Som.May;Perriman;Cox
India Kane;Felton;Cadby
London.Haysom.
Lancs.Gay.
Worcs.Coley;Mander;Sawyer.
Kings of Wessex & Scotland
Census information is Crown copyright,from
www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/

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Re: Looking for the Parents of Elizabeth Frances Everson India
« Reply #31 on: Tuesday 02 June 20 17:31 BST (UK) »
it's frustrating that some of the records are on FindMyPast with scans of registers and some of them aren't there at all.
I've just found one that is a hand written reference indexed from the Asiatic Journal 27 to the burial of John Thomas Spencer Colliard, son of Thomas Spencer, giving his age as 23. The burial register shows his age as 9 years & 10 months.

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Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb

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Re: Looking for the Parents of Elizabeth Frances Everson India
« Reply #32 on: Tuesday 02 June 20 17:41 BST (UK) »
just remembered -  the marriage entry for Thomas Spencer Colliard & Elizabeth Frances Everson notes him as bachelor.

 ???
Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb

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Re: Looking for the Parents of Elizabeth Frances Everson India
« Reply #33 on: Tuesday 02 June 20 17:47 BST (UK) »
Well that kicks that into touch.
So T.S. is the father according to the marriage of Eliza but an assumption Elizabeth Everson is the mother.
Or Elizabeth Everson is the mother & given the Colliards name at marriage.
It may as close as we can get.
Warks:Ashford;Cadby;Clarke;Clifford;Cooke Copage;Easthope;
Edmonds;Felton;Colledge;Lutwyche;Mander(s);May;Poole;Withers.
Staffs.Edmonds;Addison;Duffield;Webb;Fisher;Archer
Salop:Easthope,Eddowes,Hoorde,Oteley,Vernon,Talbot,De Neville.
Notts.Clarke;Redfearne;Treece.
Som.May;Perriman;Cox
India Kane;Felton;Cadby
London.Haysom.
Lancs.Gay.
Worcs.Coley;Mander;Sawyer.
Kings of Wessex & Scotland
Census information is Crown copyright,from
www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/

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Re: Looking for the Parents of Elizabeth Frances Everson India
« Reply #34 on: Tuesday 02 June 20 18:04 BST (UK) »
quite, he is the father but she was born a few years before his marriage so unlikely to find the mother.
Or the bachelor entry was incorrect. As you say, as close as we can get.

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Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb

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Re: Looking for the Parents of Elizabeth Frances Everson India
« Reply #35 on: Tuesday 02 June 20 18:48 BST (UK) »
so I had another look and found this baptism

13 Sept 1823 Louisa, daughter of Thomas Colliard, Overseer of the Salt Golahs, and of Louisa, his wife. Baptised by the senior chaplain, Presidency of Fort William.

Perhaps baptised as Louisa after her mother but known as Eliza later?

Also, perhaps this Thomas is the father of Thomas Spencer, unless you could be overseer of salt golahs at the age of 22.

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Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb