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Re: West Norwood Cemetery - Hennings - Mary & Charles Frederick
« Reply #9 on: Saturday 06 June 20 22:50 BST (UK) »
If it helps with locating the property, it may have been called Sunninghill House. There is a reference to a Mrs Hennings at that house in Thicket Road in Penge on pgs 26 and 38 (1871-2).

hamlet of penge
www.bromley.gov.uk › downloads › 1871_-_72_hamlet_of_penge

Just copy whole line to google and it will bring up the right link for the pdf.

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Re: West Norwood Cemetery - Hennings - Mary & Charles Frederick
« Reply #10 on: Saturday 06 June 20 23:50 BST (UK) »
Monica,
Thank you so much for your further information.
I'll do a search and look at your links.

It is so sad the Tanner family, lost 3 sons.
It could well be the same address, Mary died in 1892 so it would have been sold after that.

Thanks again



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Re: West Norwood Cemetery - Hennings - Mary & Charles Frederick
« Reply #11 on: Sunday 07 June 20 08:22 BST (UK) »
Unfortunately my file for the Thicket Road numbers spreadsheet I created several years ago has got corrupted, so I've had to redo at least the bit around No 78. It was, indeed, called Sunninghill and originally No 9, which changed to 78 between directories of 1876 and 1880. I haven't found another renumbering, but I've only got to 1967 so far. Perhaps it was the other side I thought changed more than once.

Stanford's 1862 map show no houses at all in what was then called Thick Wood Road. The earliest following directory I have is 1867, which shows Mrs Hennings as the resident, so I guess she bought it as a new build. I wouldn't be surprised to find an advert in The Times for whatever the term then was for a "des res" with view over the Crystal Palace grounds. Houses were sometimes named by the builder, but as some of the others only had numbers, I suspect Mary chose Sunninghill which might have had some personal significance.

I'll get a photo of the modern 78 when I'm sure that's still the right number. I'm told that West Norwood Cemetery has now been re-opened (despite the forbidding wording still on the Council website) and the person I mentioned is going to look for the grave.

More to come.
Researching Penge, Anerley, (incuding the Crystal Palace) and neighbouring parts of Beckenham, currently in London (Bromley), formerly Surrey and/or Kent.

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Re: West Norwood Cemetery - Hennings - Mary & Charles Frederick
« Reply #12 on: Sunday 07 June 20 08:35 BST (UK) »
Chris,
Thank you so much, I didn't mean to cause you more work with redoing your spreadsheet.
Her husband Charles died in 1846 and the house they lived in then was sold/demolished.
I do wonder where she went between that time and 1867.
I'd love to find a photo of Sunninghill House.
I can't find her in the 1851 or 1861 census, nor them before Charles died.
Might be a spelling error that wouldn't surprise me. I might need to dig deeper.

Thank you for your help it is appreciated. 
I look forward to what is to come :)
 


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Re: West Norwood Cemetery - Hennings - Mary & Charles Frederick
« Reply #13 on: Sunday 07 June 20 17:25 BST (UK) »
For your records, this is likely Charles and Mary in 1841 www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MQKZ-FMF

Showing on Ancestry as Charles Henning, of Independent means. They show as living at Crosby Row, Bermondsey. Some old photos here http://bermondseyboy.net/viewtopic.php?t=278  and http://gander-name.info/my-gander-line/gaggle/page37.html

No specific numbers given on the census page for Crosby Row.

The closest I can see for 1861 is this entry at Queent Street Croydon www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q2MP-9QTK Not perfect. Age is out and she is down as single...but errors can creep in as we know. Ancestry have her entry mistranscribed as Mary Herung. (Added: I think I can see this Mary, as Mary Ann, in 1851. Still showing as unmarried and born in Croydon so I think not the correct entry).

Can't really see anything for her in 1851 so far.

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Re: West Norwood Cemetery - Hennings - Mary & Charles Frederick
« Reply #14 on: Sunday 07 June 20 23:33 BST (UK) »
Monica,
Thank you for searching.

I don't think the 1841 census is them, Mary would be 51 ok 45 is close. but Charles would have been 73, 50 is a long way short of that.
They will be in the census somewhere just hiding for now.

Thanks again for your time it is appreciated.

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Re: West Norwood Cemetery - Hennings - Mary & Charles Frederick
« Reply #15 on: Sunday 07 June 20 23:50 BST (UK) »
For your records, this is likely Charles and Mary in 1841
www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MQKZ-FMF

I think this family is more likely:

1841 Census - Dulwich Common, Camberwell
Charles F Henning, age 70, Ind
May Henning, age 50
Martha Sims, age 35, Female Servant
+2 other servants

Ref HO107; Piece 1051; Book 3; Folio 6; Page 5
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MQKN-ZR7

Martha Sims looks to be the same person with Mary in 1871.


There are quite a lot of newspaper references to the Hennings and Druce families but few in the 1860s-1880s.

Mary's father names her in his will but doesn't give their (Charles and Mary's) address, at least not that I can see.

1845 - Will of Charles Druce of Dulwich , Surrey
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D87094
Anderson Banks Beard Brewer Caves Clarke Clinch Cooling Cuff Denton Gamble Gibson Gunn Hunt Mills Muncey Norris Notzke Reid Robinson Searle Smith Trundle Turner Weedon Wells Wilson

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Re: West Norwood Cemetery - Hennings - Mary & Charles Frederick
« Reply #16 on: Monday 08 June 20 00:02 BST (UK) »
Yes, this is them, thank you for your search cuffie8.
I'll do some searches in the newspapers and see what I can dig up.

It's a very interesting family.
thanks again

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Re: West Norwood Cemetery - Hennings - Mary & Charles Frederick
« Reply #17 on: Monday 08 June 20 00:55 BST (UK) »
This question is somewhat left field.

Who or where would I go to possibly find out about the building of a house between 1862 - 1867?
I'm just wondering if Mary Hennings had 'Sunninghill House' built for herself.
In Australia, in Victoria, we have land data records going back to the early settlements.
I know where to find that information is there something like this in UK?

Thanks for your guidance.