L/Cpl Alexander Carlisle, ww2

[sam.b]

Go to this site :www.newtownardshistory.co.uk/
It lists all the names killed on that date, it also lists where they were buried, with the exception of Alexander, just states that he's remembered on the memorial at  Brookwood.

[gaffy]

The GRONI website has just started playing ball with me again and there is indeed a death registered at Newtownards district for an Alexander Carlisle who died with a reported age of 19 on 16 April 1941.

The death registration record is pay to view (from recent memory, about £2.50?), the risk is that it may not provide any other leads whatsoever... so over to Trevalyn, who I'm assuming is related to Alexander and will let us know if this death registration offers anything up?

https://geni.nidirect.gov.uk/

[BallyaltikilliganG]

Hello trevalyn
Quote Strangely, the burial places of the other casualties of that raid are recorded. I too found that strange
So was there one source for finding the other 12 yes found by Sam www.newtownardshistory.co.uk/
 
The only casualty buried in Newtownards appears to be Fusilier HIGGINS, DANIEL Service Number 6980100 Died 16/04/1941 70th Bn.Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers see https://billiongraves.com/cemetery/MovillaCemetery/162591#

Your Fusilier Alexander Carlisle deserves more attention I tried other sources already given on this topic so you will hopefully know all this:-

His name is on Panel 11, Column 2 of the Brookwood Memorial, Surrey, England. see pic https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/56075330#view-photo=80479263

A memorial also stands next to the Newtownards War Memorial, Co. Down remembering the thirteen Fusiliers [unnamed] who died in the air raid. https://www.tracesofwar.com/sights/88813/Memorial-Newtownards-Air-Raid.htm no individual names. the civilian casualties  are not listed their information included other nearby cemeteries which I have not explored  eg
Commonwealth War Graves Killysuggan Graveyard - Killysuggan
2.3 km
Commonwealth War Graves Comber Cemetery - Comber
5.1 km

In  https://www.ww2ni.com/countydownpart2.htm I looked up and found a full report including civilians killed

Are you a free member or full member of https://www.forces-war-records.co.uk/loginregister his army record or attestation paper might show more of birthplace details and parents

my hunt suggests Ballymena itself is unlikely to have been his birthplace, I think more likely is his registration district area.  Ballymena civil registration area
contained 300 townlands contained in 1855 16 civil parishes ie Ahoghill
Ballyclug Connor Craigs Drummaul Dunaghy Dunaghy Duneane
Glenwhirry Grange of Ballyscullion Kirkinriola NewtownCrommelin
Portglenone Racavan Rasharkin Skerry wow that is some patch
see http://www.from-ireland.net/antrim-townlands-ballymena-1855/ for the townlands

he must have been born in Ballymena district Aghadowey’s John Alexander Carlisle
b: Oct - Dec 1921 Ballymena, Ireland Registration District:seemed the most likely    Ballymena
his parent or grandparent might be either of below howeverI am assuming you have exhausted https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/ so for others
Alexander Carlisle b 26 Aug 1869  Loan is Craigs parish in district of Ahoghill his parents are given in https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/
Alexander Carlisle  b 25 July 1904  Fernisky is Connor parish district of Galgorm   his parents are given in https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/
among others

switching to the census 1901 and 1911 are his parents listed if labourers or agricultural labourers they might move around a bit but back within Ballymena for his birth 1920-1924
many in his hut were younger

A suggestion if you haven’t already covered it at the PRONI Belfast 1939 National Registration records (name, sex, age, marital status, military membership) can be released under FOI, currently suspended because of Covid 19, when recovered you still have to be able to provide an exact address [plead your special case] and demonstrate that the person you're seeking is deceased that’s straight forward

 you could try for birth at GRONI

I wish you every success

[Crumblie]

I think you are looking for something that does not exist. The CWGC does not have a grave for him which means one of two things, either there were no remains to bury or his parents/family turned down the offer of a CWGC grave. I think the former is more likely.

[aghadowey]

I though that OP was looking for information so not sure why "I think you are looking for something that does not exist."

The 3 births I posted earlier in the thread are merely possibilities. Since Alexander was supposed to be 19 when he was killed in April 1941 then he could have been born early 1922 (and birth registered either Jan./Mar. or Apr./June quarter) thus not listed in Family Search index (N.I. records only up to 1921 there).

I did manage to trace the family of a Welsh soldier killed WWII in a motorcycle accident whilst on duty with help on RC (there's a thread somewhere but haven't posted a link since it's not relevant to this query but the family were absolutely delighted to get photographs and information). The reason I mention that search is that the informant was the Coroner and there were no clues from the death certificate to find family details or of course place of burial. What Alexander Carlisle's death certificate might do is confirm there were no identifiable remains for burial.

[BallyaltikilliganG]

Aghadowey’s recall on coroners made me go back to my notes https://www.ww2ni.com/countydownpart2.htm I looked up and found a full report including civilians killed
the last paragraph reads
Lance Corporal Alexander Carlisle (No. 6984668) was 19 when he died on 16 April 1941 in Ards District Hospital.  He died of shock and haemorrhage resulting from his multiple injuries and he is commemorated on the Second World War Memorial in Ballymena Memorial Park.
The casualties were all taken to Ards District Hospital in Newtownards. 
to know someone died of shock suggests to me thats its more of a coroners note than a hospital doctor’s
So who iussed the death certificate?Has someone seen the coroners report and is it lodged in the hospitaj records or the Newtownards coroners office.
the present information is
 A death should be registered as soon as possible to allow funeral arrangements to proceed, but no later than five days from the date of death, except where the matter has been referred to the Coroner. You can register a death at any registrar's office in Northern Ireland if the death occurred in Northern Ireland.
Registrar's offices
The registrar's offices in Ards and North Down are in the council offices at:
•   Town Hall, The Castle, Bangor, BT20 4BT, Telephone 028 9127 8003.
•   2 Church Street, Newtownards, BT23 4AP, Telephone 028 9182 4003 

[trevalyn]

Thank you to everyone who has responded and given of their time. I am satisfied that there is a grave to be found and I am concentrating at this stage on the Ballymena area. I will post the result as/when I find the answer.

[aghadowey]

Thank you to everyone who has responded and given of their time. I am satisfied that there is a grave to be found and I am concentrating at this stage on the Ballymena area. I will post the result as/when I find the answer.

Have you found more information or clues which suggest that Alexander Carlisle was from the Ballymena area?

[BallyaltikilliganG]

for starters see the tombstone records listed http://www.thebraid.com/genealogy.aspx for Carlisle and Carlile