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Re: Birth look up please
« Reply #18 on: Sunday 31 May 20 14:11 BST (UK) »

Just got both my trees out that I did .....one for

Jane Bland b1861 Thursk (also in workhouse before she married William Nattras s b1861 Pickhill.

And one for

Jane Annie Fawcett b 1861 Thirsk

both had daughter called Annie plus others.  Both Williams were agricultural labourers. !!!!!!!!!!!!!

So .........I think Annie s birth certificate is needed do you agree..But again how do I get the right one ?this is my dilemma .

Ok lets see if this helps by comparing the two Jane's 

Jane Anne Fawcett
Baptism 11 Jan 1861 Knaresborough, St John the Baptist
Denomination   Anglican
Father   Simon occ butcher Mother   Ellen, abode High St

22 Dec 1887 Knaresborough, St John the Baptist

Jane Annie FAWCETT age 27 father Simon, Butcher
Residence   Knaresborough
   
William Nattress age 21 , Farmer father George, Farmer
residence   Dalton

Witnesses Thomas Nattress & Sarah J Nattress, All signed their names

Jane Bland father named as William on m/c  ??? but I think this is the correct baptism

Jane Bland illegitimate
Baptism 26 Jan 1863 Place  Thirsk
Mother Mary Ann Bland

23 Nov 1886 Kirby on the Moor

Jane BLAND Full Age servant father William Bland, Labourer
Residence   Kirby on the Moor

William Natteress Full Age, labourer father Henry, labourer
residence   Kirby On The Moor
William made his mark (x) Jane signed

Witnesses Benjamin Wall(k)er  & Elizabeth  Ann Inman

1891 Angleham, Great Fencote, Kirkby Fleetham, Bedale, Yorkshire

William Nattrass   Head   Married           1867      Thirsk, Yorkshire, farm labourer
Jane Annie   Nattrass   Wife   Married   1861      Knaresborough, Yorkshire
Frances May   Nattrass   daughter      1889      Thirsk, Yorkshire
Florence Ethel   Nattrass   Daughter      1890      Thirsk, Yorkshire
Sarah Ann   Nattrass   Sister   Single   1874   Farmers Daughter Pateley Bridge, Yorkshire

Frances May NATTRESS mmn FAWCETT
1888  D Quarter in THIRSK  Volume 09D  Page 415

Florence Ethel NATTRESS mmn FAWCETT 
1890  M Quarter in THIRSK  Volume 09D  Page 403

1891 Dishforth Yorkshire (details posted by Sandra)
Class RG12 Piece 3514 Folio 8 Page 10

William Nattrass   27 Agricultural Labourer   Pickhill, Yorkshire
Jane Nattrass   21 Thirsk
Ethel Nattrass   11
Donnie Nattrass   3 (This is Annie)

Annie NATRASS mothers maiden name - BLAND  (details posted. by Sandra reply 2)
1887  D Quarter in RIPON  Volume 09A  Page 85

It looks as if Jane A Nattress (nee Fawcett) & children left for New York in 1893

Departure year   25 1 1893
Departure port   Liverpool
Destination   NEW YORK
Ship name   Teutonic

Mrs Jane A Nattress wife age 25
Miss S J ditto spinster    age 20
Francis child                 age 4
Florence child               age 2 1/2
George child                 age 1 1/2
Louisa Inft.                  age 1

possible birth entries for George & Louisa

George Fawcett NATTRESS mmn FAWCETT
1891  J Quarter in BEDALE  Volume 09D  Page 677

Louisa Annie NATTRESS mmn FAWCETT 
1892  S Quarter in THIRSK  Volume 09D  Page 444



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Re: Birth look up please
« Reply #19 on: Sunday 31 May 20 14:29 BST (UK) »
Annie Nattrass , Dishforth, Yorkshire (correct spelling)

I have her marriage certificate and her Daughters certificate

Who did Annie marry and when?

Who were the witnesses?

Can you give details of the censuses you have Annie on?


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Re: Birth look up please
« Reply #20 on: Sunday 31 May 20 14:44 BST (UK) »

Just got both my trees out that I did .....one for

Jane Bland b1861 Thursk (also in workhouse before she married William Nattras s b1861 Pickhill.

And one for

Jane Annie Fawcett b 1861 Thirsk

both had daughter called Annie plus others.  Both Williams were agricultural labourers. !!!!!!!!!!!!!

So .........I think Annie s birth certificate is needed do you agree..But again how do I get the right one ?this is my dilemma .



It looks as if Jane A Nattress (nee Fawcett) & children left for New York in 1893

Departure year   25 1 1893
Departure port   Liverpool
Destination   NEW YORK
Ship name   Teutonic

Mrs Jane A Nattress wife age 25
Miss S J ditto spinster    age 20
Francis child                 age 4
Florence child               age 2 1/2
George child                 age 1 1/2
Louisa Inft.                  age 1


Passenger ship record has destination as Vermont.

Passenger ship: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:J6TK-JM3

There is a Jane Fawcett Nattress who died in 1898 Vermont.

Vermont Vitals: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QPQL-J2CL
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QPQL-GDR1

There is a Sarah Jane Nattress (Miss S J) who married a Chas Eugene Percivial in 1986 Vermont.

Marriage: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QPQ2-B5KT



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Re: Birth look up please
« Reply #21 on: Sunday 31 May 20 14:55 BST (UK) »
RJ137 - thank you for posting the extra info. that seems to confirm that Jane Annie Nattress (nee Fawcett) departed the UK in 1893

Beechbaby - hope the information posted has been helpful in clarifying which birth certificate you need


Just got both my trees out that I did .....one for
Jane Bland b1861 Thursk (also in workhouse before she married William Nattras s b1861 Pickhill.
And one for
Jane Annie Fawcett b 1861 Thirsk 
both had daughter called Annie plus others.  Both Williams were agricultural labourers. !!!!!!!!!!!!!
So .........I think Annie s birth certificate is needed do you agree..But again how do I get the right one ?this is my dilemma .

Sandra added this census entry

1901 Dishforth Yorkshire
RG13 Piece 4045 Folio 7 Page 5

William Nattrass   40 Pickhill occ Ordinary Agricultural Labouer
Jane Nattrass   40 Thirsk
Annie Nattrass   13 Dishforth, Yorkshire
Alice Nattrass   7
Ada Nattrass   3
Amy Nattrass   2
William Nattrass   5 months

Annie NATRASS mothers maiden name BLAND  (details posted. by Sandra reply 2)
1887  D Quarter in RIPON  Volume 09A  Page 85

Alice NATRASS mmn BLAND
1894  S Quarter in RIPON  Volume 09A  Page 81

Amy NATTRASS mmn BLAND 
1898  D Quarter in RIPON  Volume 09A  Page 80

William NATTRASS mmn BLAND
1900  D Quarter in RIPON  Volume 09A  Page 75

1911 census from family search
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWNJ-QDL

William Nattrass   Head   47   Pickhill, Yorkshire, Farm Labourer
Jane Nattrass   Wife   50   Thirsk, Yorkshire
Amy Nattrass   Daughter   12   Dishforth, Yorkshire
Willam Nattrass   Son   10   Dishforth, Yorkshire
Wilfred Nattrass   Son   6   Dishforth, Yorkshire
Hilda Nattrass   Daughter   3   Dishforth, Yorkshire
Harry Nattrass   Grandchild   3   Dishforth, Yorkshire
Dorris Nattrass   Grandchild   1   Dishforth, Yorkshire

Wilfred NATTRASS   mmn BLAND
1904  S Quarter in RIPON  Volume 09A  Page 74   

Hilda NATTRASS mmn BLAND
1907  J Quarter in RIPON  Volume 09A  Page 77   


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Re: Birth look up please
« Reply #22 on: Sunday 31 May 20 15:46 BST (UK) »
Doris Nattrass is my birth mother (she gave myself and sisters up for adoption when I was 1yr old)
Harry Nattrass is my Uncle ( iv e never met him that I can remember)
Jane is my Great Grandmother.

So is it Jane Bland   that's my gut feeling.

Thank you so much for ALL your hard work you have no idea how much it is appreciated.😀

Nattrass  -     Heaton  -    Segwick  -  Hammersley  -  Hall -  Prestwich.  Heartwell

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« Reply #23 on: Sunday 31 May 20 16:04 BST (UK) »
Doris Nattrass is my birth mother (she gave myself and sisters up for adoption when I was 1yr old)

Harry Nattrass is my Uncle ( iv e never met him that I can remember)

Jane is my Great Grandmother.

So is it Jane Bland   that's my gut feeling.

Thank you so much for ALL your hard work you have no idea how much it is appreciated.😀

You are welcome  :)

Witnesses to Annie's marriage were they members of the family -  a sibling perhaps  that might link back to Jane Bland

Both Doris (1909) & Harry (1907) birth registrations are in Ripon and the mother's maiden name is left blank

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Re: Birth look up please
« Reply #24 on: Sunday 31 May 20 16:20 BST (UK) »
Witnesses to Annie s first marriage to Claude A .Heaton marriage  are John Heaton & Mary Sarah Mitchell at the Parish church ,Colne.
I don't have a copy I get 2nd marriage to Thomas Dalby.
Nattrass  -     Heaton  -    Segwick  -  Hammersley  -  Hall -  Prestwich.  Heartwell

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« Reply #25 on: Sunday 31 May 20 16:25 BST (UK) »
I have Birth mothers Doris birth cert  d.o.b. 7/9/1909 no father.   Mother.  Annie Nattrass domestic servant of Dishforth registration Ripon.
Nattrass  -     Heaton  -    Segwick  -  Hammersley  -  Hall -  Prestwich.  Heartwell

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« Reply #26 on: Sunday 31 May 20 16:36 BST (UK) »
Witnesses to Annie s first marriage to Claude A .Heaton marriage  are John Heaton & Mary Sarah Mitchell at the Parish church ,Colne.

don't have a copy  2nd marriage to Thomas Dalby

Ok so not Annie's family  :-\

HEATON   Edward Arthur Claude   
NATTRASS   Annie   
1912   Colne, St Bartholomew

DALBY   Thomas   
HEATON   Annie      
NATTRASS   Annie
1921   Colne, St Bartholomew

Have you found Annie on the 1939 Register confirming her dob?

I have Birth mothers Doris birth cert  d.o.b. 7/9/1909 no father.   Mother.  Annie Nattrass domestic servant of Dishforth registration Ripon.

Is this Annie in 1911?

1911c https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X4ML-KDK - Lancashire
Annie NATTRASS age 24 Thirsk occ General Domestic Servant