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Johanna Stanley - John William Gray - Aboriginal NSW?
« on: Sunday 31 May 20 08:00 BST (UK) »
Hi
I think I've hit the end of my family journey.  I have been unsuccessful in finding more on the one family line that I wanted to find out about.

I have been trying to find Ada Jane Gray's (b 1887 Dubbo, d. 1945 Innisfail) parents lines.  I have found quite a few brothers and sisters of Ada as well as her marriages and other children and partners, but nothing on her parents.  I have a death certificate for Johanna Stanley which states she was born "Near Gray River, New Zealand", but we assume that may be another fib as I cannot find anything for her in NZ.

Johanna Stanley b. abt 1860, died 24 Jun 1898 Qld, parents John Stanley and Mary Raymond
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John William Gray, m. 1876 wellington, nsw (no proof of this though, just what was written on a death certificate.

We assume that both were of Aboriginal descent as we have found a brother and a niece of Ada Jane Gray who were "Native" and "uncontrollable Aboriginal".  It also appears that Ada (although stating born in Dubbo in her first marriage) has stated in her later second marriage that she was from "Mexico".

I believe that John Gray (Ada's father) was perhaps living at Apsley Mission in NSW (Black's camp) as when he buried a son in Dubbo in 1886, the witness to that burial was a person who is named at that camp - Charles Campbell.  There was also a John Stanley at that camp at one stage.

I have looked through the AITSIS data and cannot find anything either.

Does anyone have any idea on where else I can search for this difficult line?

Thanks
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Re: Johanna Stanley - John William Gray - Aboriginal NSW?
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 16 June 20 03:39 BST (UK) »
I will ask one of our volunteer global moderators to move this thread to the Australia board.

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Re: Johanna Stanley - John William Gray - Aboriginal NSW?
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 16 June 20 06:26 BST (UK) »
maybe something to have a look at
Mary Raymond born 1828 - arrived New South Wales 28th March 1849 aged 21 - Assisted Immigrant Passenger
could that be your Mary Raymond ??
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Re: Johanna Stanley - John William Gray - Aboriginal NSW?
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 17 June 20 10:04 BST (UK) »
maybe something to have a look at
Mary Raymond born 1828 - arrived New South Wales 28th March 1849 aged 21 - Assisted Immigrant Passenger
could that be your Mary Raymond ??

Thanks for that.  I don't believe so.  I have found the children of this Mary Raymond and Johanna Stanley is not one of them.  I believe there was a Mary Raymond who was a missionary at Apsley Mission or another mission in Dubbo/Wellington NSW area and that Johanna Stanley was an aboriginal girl there, who later in life said her mother's name was Mary Raymond?  We can't find any connection there at all and know that was a common thing to do.  Johanna also stated later in life that she was a "Mauri Princess" from "near Gray River, NZ", which the family believed was not true.  Her daughter also lied and even though she was born in Dubbo and said that early on, she stated in second marriage that she was born in Mexico.
We have found a John Stanley (maybe her father?) in the Aboriginal's camp in Wellington on the 1903 electoral roll.