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Holdens in Brighton area mid 1700s to 1820s
« on: Wednesday 03 June 20 01:37 BST (UK) »
I hope someone here might be able to help me with a long standing puzzle regarding my Brighton based Holden ancestors.

I am trying to locate a marriage and possibly a christening for my ancestor James Holden who was problably born sometime in the late 1700s.

All I know is that he was married to a woman named Elizabeth and they had four children who were all christened in Brighton. The children were

Sarah - born 1811
George - born 1814 [my ancestor]
Hannah - born 1817
Thomas - born 1820

The only other thing I know is that James was a blacksmith.

So far I have found no sign of a christening for James or a suitable marriage to an Elizabeth in Brighton. Is anyone able to suggest a possible marriage for James and Elizabeth in the area or nearby, or a possible christening for James?

Any help or clues gratefully welcomed.

Many Thanks
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Re: Holdens in Brighton area mid 1700s to 1820s
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 03 June 20 06:42 BST (UK) »
From Free Reg.
Marriage.  James Holden/ Elizabeth  Mockett. 13 July 1796. Cuckfield.
Children.  Elizabeth 1797. Mary 1798. Jane 1800. James 1803. Parents James and Elizabeth. Father's occupation - blacksmith. Cuckfield.

Baptism. James Holden. 2 Dec 1770. Cuckfield. Parents James and Jane. BUT 10 baptisms in name of James Holden in Sussex 1765-75.

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Re: Holdens in Brighton area mid 1700s to 1820s
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 03 June 20 17:53 BST (UK) »
From Free Reg.
Marriage.  James Holden/ Elizabeth  Mockett. 13 July 1796. Cuckfield.
Children.  Elizabeth 1797. Mary 1798. Jane 1800. James 1803. Parents James and Elizabeth. Father's occupation - blacksmith. Cuckfield.

Baptism. James Holden. 2 Dec 1770. Cuckfield. Parents James and Jane. BUT 10 baptisms in name of James Holden in Sussex 1765-75.

Hi this is interesting. Do you think that this James who was christened in Cuckfield and had those children christened there between 1797 and 1803 is the same one who had children christened in Brighton?

The interesting thing here that that James [the one born 1770] was the older brother of Jane Holden [christened February 1773]. Jane was married to Stephen Holden of Hurstpierpoint in 1793 and their daughter Hannah [born 1795] married Daniel Wells in 1815. Daniel and Hannah were the parents of Winifred Wells who in turn married George Holden. That George was born in 1814 in Brighton and is the son of the James and Elizabeth I am trying to identify.

There are certainly a lot of Holdens. I have Holdens in Cuckfield and Hurstpierpoint who intermarried and there are so many called James.

Like I said, if that James born 1770 in Cuckfield is the one who was the father of George [born 1814 Brighton] it would definitely make this interesting.

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Re: Holdens in Brighton area mid 1700s to 1820s
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 03 June 20 18:23 BST (UK) »
The witnesses at the marriage of James Holden  and Elizabeth Mockett were James and Jane Holden. Could they have been both the parents of the groom and the boy born in 1770.?

The births in Cuckfield cease before the commencement of the births in Brighton. No name appears in both lists. In both families the father is a blacksmith.

I think it is definitely a possibility that this is George's family but with a number of related families in the same area making use of a small pool of first names it can be difficult, and sometimes impossible, to establish individual identities.

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Re: Holdens in Brighton area mid 1700s to 1820s
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 03 June 20 21:16 BST (UK) »
The witnesses at the marriage of James Holden  and Elizabeth Mockett were James and Jane Holden. Could they have been both the parents of the groom and the boy born in 1770.?

The births in Cuckfield cease before the commencement of the births in Brighton. No name appears in both lists. In both families the father is a blacksmith.

I think it is definitely a possibility that this is George's family but with a number of related families in the same area making use of a small pool of first names it can be difficult, and sometimes impossible, to establish individual identities.

You pay your money and you make your choice!


Thanks for that info, I'll add it to the notes I have for the Holdens in the area.

I've now come across another James Holden christened in Brighton in 1778 son of John Holden and Susannah Roofe plus a marriage at Lewes for James Holden to Elizabeth Reeds in 1803.

I wonder if this could be the records I'm looking for. What do you think?

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Re: Holdens in Brighton area mid 1700s to 1820s
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 04 June 20 05:31 BST (UK) »
It certainly looks a strong possibility.

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Re: Holdens in Brighton area mid 1700s to 1820s
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 04 June 20 09:26 BST (UK) »
I've now come across another James Holden christened in Brighton in 1778 son of John Holden and Susannah Roofe plus a marriage at Lewes for James Holden to Elizabeth Reeds in 1803.

Hi
But could he be this chap?
With another marriage at St Michael Lewes - 30 Sep 1844
James Holden, full, Widower, Mariner, father John Holden, Laborer
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Mary Arnold, 25

This seems to be them in Brighton in 1851
All born Brighton
James Holden Head 72, Mariner, born Brighton
Mary Holden Wife 33
Sarah Ann Holden Daur  6
Susan Holden Daur  4
Mary Holden Daur  1

If he seems a bit old to be at sea then, baptism of Mary, 3 May 1850, has him as a Dealer in Marine Stores
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-DRDQ-PVJ?i=341

He is a Mariner on bap of Susan, 6 Sep 1846
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-DRDQ-5JT?i=81

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Re: Holdens in Brighton area mid 1700s to 1820s
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 04 June 20 09:37 BST (UK) »
Sarah - born 1811
George - born 1814 [my ancestor]
Hannah - born 1817
Thomas - born 1820

Sarah Holden married John Sargant, 13 Oct 1838, Brighton.
Her father James, Blacksmith
Image here
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-DYJS-63N?i=428

And on Xmas Day , same year, image 447, John and Sarah witnessed the marriage of Hannah Holden and John Trussler.

FamilySearch also indexes two more baptisms in Brighton to James + Elizabeth Holden
John, 26 April 1806
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NDHL-P1M

and Henry, 12 June 1808
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:J7ZW-1Z4

John

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Re: Holdens in Brighton area mid 1700s to 1820s
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 04 June 20 20:13 BST (UK) »
Sarah - born 1811
George - born 1814 [my ancestor]
Hannah - born 1817
Thomas - born 1820

Sarah Holden married John Sargant, 13 Oct 1838, Brighton.
Her father James, Blacksmith
Image here
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-DYJS-63N?i=428

And on Xmas Day , same year, image 447, John and Sarah witnessed the marriage of Hannah Holden and John Trussler.

FamilySearch also indexes two more baptisms in Brighton to James + Elizabeth Holden
John, 26 April 1806
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NDHL-P1M

and Henry, 12 June 1808
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:J7ZW-1Z4

John

Hi John

Thanks for those bits of info. I had the marriage of Hannah Holden to John Trussler in my files and also those other two children but I did not have the full dates only the years [and months in the case of the two christenings.

I have a feeling the name "Trussler" crops up again in the next generation possibly as a witness to another marriage but I need to check.

Matt