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« on: Thursday 04 June 20 00:13 BST (UK) »
Hi there, I have only posted here once before and got some amazing help, so forgive me if this is in the wrong place. I am after some help or advice on finding a death date for my X3 Great Grandad. I'm not a beginner with family research, I started in 2012 but I've hit a brick wall with this one. His name is John Richard Partis, born 1813 in Morpeth, Northumberland. He married Mary Ann Clark in Newington, London 1839. They had two sons William Thomas Partis born in Middlesex 1852 and George Partis born in Middlesex 1859. They appeared on the 1871 census living at 6 Cumberland St west in St Pancras, London. Mary then died in 1873. She isn't buried with him John as I checked on deceased online. I can't find a death record for him at all, I can't find any info on him after the 1871 census. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Many thanks, Jade ???  ::)

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Re: Death date
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 04 June 20 02:05 BST (UK) »
Have you any info on the 2 sons?

1881
Possible George listed as George Parts, corrected to Partis, living Saville Row
ref RG11/122 FOLIO 59 PAGE 3

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Garner, Marylebone Paddington  Northolt Ilford
Garner, Devon
Garner New Zealand
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Parkinson St Pancras,
Lethbridge Paddington Slough
Jenkins Marylebone Paddington
Mizon/Mison/Myson Paddington
Tindal Marylebone Paddington
Tocock, (name changed to Ellis) London
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Re: Death date
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 04 June 20 02:58 BST (UK) »
You give Mary Ann's maiden surname as Clark but the two birth registrations for William Thomas and George Frederick give her maiden name as Alderton and the marriage to John in 1841 not 1839
Also there are numerous hints on ancestry giving John's middle name as Waldron and they do seem to be the correct people.
ancestry has the record image for the marriage and gives John's occupation as painter, father's name Richard.
Mary's (no middle name Ann) father Charles Alderton, farmer.

Death
September 1/4 Pancras London
John Waldron  Partis age 58 vol 1b page 5
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Re: Death date
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 04 June 20 08:21 BST (UK) »
I dismissed that  having looked at Hardy's info

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Garner, Marylebone Paddington  Northolt Ilford
Garner, Devon
Garner New Zealand
Maddieson
Parkinson St Pancras,
Lethbridge Paddington Slough
Jenkins Marylebone Paddington
Mizon/Mison/Myson Paddington
Tindal Marylebone Paddington
Tocock, (name changed to Ellis) London
Southam Marylebone, Paddington
Bragg Lambeth 1800's
Edermaniger(Maniger) Essex Kent Canada (Toronto)
Coveney Kent Lambeth
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Re: Death date
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 04 June 20 08:42 BST (UK) »
GRO Birth info shows her maiden name as Alderton,so had she been married before?


   PARTIS, WILLIAM  THOMAS     mmn ALDERTON 
GRO Reference: 1852  M Quarter in SAINT PANCRAS  Volume 01B  Page 99

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« Reply #5 on: Thursday 04 June 20 08:48 BST (UK) »
His name is John Richard Partis, born 1813 in Morpeth, Northumberland.

John Richard PARTIS was born 28 Dec 1843 bp: 31 March 1844 St Peters Stepney, son of John Waldon PARTIS (a Painter) & Mary (nee ) ALDERTON

John Richard married Emma Crouch in Camden MSX 1876

John Richard PARTIS joined the Met. Police Force (Gt Scotland Yard) in October 1877. He was there for over 17 years and retired at the age of 50. He was 5' 10" tall, hazel eyes with a fresh complexion. His address at the time of retirement was 6 Churchill Rd Hackney. At that time his wife was named Emma.

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Re: Death date
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 04 June 20 12:36 BST (UK) »
Thank you for your reply, I am just going to look into this a bit more, I use find my past, sometimes I've found ancestry and find my find don't always have the same info. Your response is interesting and I shall go off and have a look at what you've said - Thanks Crisane! :)

You give Mary Ann's maiden surname as Clark but the two birth registrations for William Thomas and George Frederick give her maiden name as Alderton and the marriage to John in 1841 not 1839
Also there are numerous hints on ancestry giving John's middle name as Waldron and they do seem to be the correct people.
ancestry has the record image for the marriage and gives John's occupation as painter, father's name Richard.
Mary's (no middle name Ann) father Charles Alderton, farmer.

Death
September 1/4 Pancras London
John Waldron  Partis age 58 vol 1b page 5
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« Reply #7 on: Thursday 04 June 20 12:38 BST (UK) »
Hi Lady Di, thanks for your reply. I am quite sure of the info on John Partis being correct as in born in 1813 in Morpeth, I am now thinking maybe his wife and kids aren't correct. The replies on here are making me re-think it entirely! I've been scratching my head over this one for ages! Thanks for your reply :)

His name is John Richard Partis, born 1813 in Morpeth, Northumberland.

John Richard PARTIS was born 28 Dec 1843 bp: 31 March 1844 St Peters Stepney, son of John Waldon PARTIS (a Painter) & Mary (nee ) ALDERTON

John Richard married Emma Crouch in Camden MSX 1876

John Richard PARTIS joined the Met. Police Force (Gt Scotland Yard) in October 1877. He was there for over 17 years and retired at the age of 50. He was 5' 10" tall, hazel eyes with a fresh complexion. His address at the time of retirement was 6 Churchill Rd Hackney. At that time his wife was named Emma.

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« Reply #8 on: Thursday 04 June 20 12:41 BST (UK) »
Hi Carol, thanks for your reply. I am going to look into his marriage and kids again as all your replies have made me re look at this, I am positive on the info I have for John but the wife and kids have thrown me now. I have got people on the tree who've been previously married to someone else which initially through me off, then after ordering certificates I got to the bottom of it so maybe you're right. I am going to spend some time looking at it again, I will let you know, Thanks, I really appreciate the help, sometimes so fresh eyes at it help so much! :)

GRO Birth info shows her maiden name as Alderton,so had she been married before?


   PARTIS, WILLIAM  THOMAS     mmn ALDERTON 
GRO Reference: 1852  M Quarter in SAINT PANCRAS  Volume 01B  Page 99