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Offline romawi

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East Stonehouse Birth details needed
« on: Saturday 06 June 20 01:20 BST (UK) »
Can anyone please advise where I might find details of births at East Stonehouse, Devon. I can find confirmed details on GRO and Free BMD but not a specific date. My relative, born John Frederick White was born in East Stonehouse in Q4 1889 to parents John White and Maria Connelly/Connolly I do not know where to turn to find the exact birthdate and I need this to confirm later census entries as he moved to Liverpool. In 1891 (Living East Stonehouse) and 1911 census (Living Liverpool) he is registered as Frederick J White or just Frederick White but I am confident he was born John Frederick.
Any help gratefully received.
Biddiscombe (Wiltshire).
Watson (Stockton on Tees)
Jamieson (Wolviston)
Rothwell (Salford/Heywood, Lancs - Stockton, Durham.)
Paisley(Hampshire)
White (East Stoneham/Liverpool)
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Re: East Stonehouse Birth details needed
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 06 June 20 01:53 BST (UK) »
Do you have your ancestor on the 1939 register? I believe it shows birth dates.

Also, his death may show birth date on FreeBMD.

Was he in the military?

The 1901, and 1891, 1911 as mentioned:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:W4T4-G6Z

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XSWP-BJ3

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWRT-VS2

WHITE, ALICE  MAUD man CONNOLLY 
GRO Reference: 1888  J Quarter in HONITON  Volume 05B  Page 25

WHITE, JOHN  FREDERICK mmn CONNELLY 
GRO Reference: 1889  D Quarter in EAST STONEHOUSE  Volume 05B  Page 298

WHITE, EDITH  MAY mmn CONOLLY 
GRO Reference: 1894  S Quarter in EASTRY  Volume 02A  Page 927

WHITE, SOPHIE  MARY ANN mmn CONNOLLY 
GRO Reference: 1896  D Quarter in EASTRY  Volume 02A  Page 999

WHITE, NELLIE  ELIZABETH mmn CONNELLY 
GRO Reference: 1898  D Quarter in EAST STONEHOUSE  Volume 05B  Page 257

WHITE, CHARLES  HENRY mmn CONNOLLY 
GRO Reference: 1900  S Quarter in EAST STONEHOUSE  Volume 05B  Page 258

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Re: East Stonehouse Birth details needed
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 06 June 20 04:21 BST (UK) »
Hi Jamjar, I can find a Frederick john White in the 1939 census in Liverpool that may be him but as I do not have his birthdate I cannot confirm it. The 1939 census Fred is born 4th November 1889 but it does not have birthplace so cannot confirm. But fits to Q4. I can find a marriage in 1912 between Frederick John White and Jane Jamieson and jane and kids are in the 1939 census with this Frederick john but without ordering certificates I cannot find if it's the right one. It is a relatively common name and I have found at least 3 different frederick Johns or john Fredericks so I am loath to jump to the conclusion without proving it's him. I need either the birthplace of the 1939 frederick john or the birthdate of my John Frederick to confirm conclusively they are the same.
Biddiscombe (Wiltshire).
Watson (Stockton on Tees)
Jamieson (Wolviston)
Rothwell (Salford/Heywood, Lancs - Stockton, Durham.)
Paisley(Hampshire)
White (East Stoneham/Liverpool)
Taylor (Liverpool)


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Re: East Stonehouse Birth details needed
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 06 June 20 04:30 BST (UK) »
And again I can find a death of Frederick White of the same age in Liverpool in 1966 but no birthdate and even if I had birthdate I cannot confirm without knowing my John Fredericks birthdate. I might just have to spend the money to order the certificate but money's a bit tight at present.
Biddiscombe (Wiltshire).
Watson (Stockton on Tees)
Jamieson (Wolviston)
Rothwell (Salford/Heywood, Lancs - Stockton, Durham.)
Paisley(Hampshire)
White (East Stoneham/Liverpool)
Taylor (Liverpool)

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Re: East Stonehouse Birth details needed
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 06 June 20 07:43 BST (UK) »
Even with an exact birthdate you will not confirm him on census as ages are not always accurate.  The information in 1939 does not give a place of birth as it is not a census, dates of birth on there are also sometimes wrong.

Is he your direct line or just a sibling of your direct line that you are trying to trace forwards.

I see that you already have a post trying to trace him and other siblings
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=828637.
Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

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Re: East Stonehouse Birth details needed
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 06 June 20 09:59 BST (UK) »
And again I can find a death of Frederick White of the same age in Liverpool in 1966

Frederick John White buried 20 Sep 1866, at Allerton Cemetery.
age 76
late abode 7 Vronhill Street, Liverpool 8

Buried in the Roman Catholic division.
Private Grave. Section 16 Grave 233

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Re: East Stonehouse Birth details needed
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 06 June 20 10:02 BST (UK) »
I can find a marriage in 1912 between Frederick John White and Jane Jamieson

30 September 1912, at St Peter's, Liverpool (RC)
He was of 43 Leeds Street, Liverpool, father John.

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Re: East Stonehouse Birth details needed
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 06 June 20 10:12 BST (UK) »
He was of 43 Leeds Street, Liverpool, father John.

Here is our Fred in the free index to 1911 census, living in Liverpool.
Age 21, parents John and Maria.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWRT-VS2

Be great if they were at 43 Leeds Street ;D

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Re: East Stonehouse Birth details needed
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 06 June 20 10:52 BST (UK) »
Thank you jonw65 much appreciated. I think it looks likely with the marriage details that this is the same Frederick. Can I ask how you found the marriage details i.e address/fathers name etc? This info is not on Ancestry that I could find - but maybe I'm just not very good at looking.
Many thanks again
Biddiscombe (Wiltshire).
Watson (Stockton on Tees)
Jamieson (Wolviston)
Rothwell (Salford/Heywood, Lancs - Stockton, Durham.)
Paisley(Hampshire)
White (East Stoneham/Liverpool)
Taylor (Liverpool)