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Re: Tasmanian Ancestors- not having much luck!
« Reply #9 on: Thursday 11 June 20 03:14 BST (UK) »
 :)  Well I think you may need to obtain actual documents rather than just rely on indexes.   Ancestry and other commercial websites have indexes which are compiled by mixing indexes from many sources all in together, so some 'data fields' are dropped or mangled or simply not displayed at all.  And I suspect that some of those commercial websites have obtained some of their indexes without considering that some are not even based on 'official records'.   

I added to an earlier post, so perhaps I should add it here again .... this is what you can find on official records from Vic BDM  :) ...

The free to search online index of Victoria's deaths has
Maria KING's death at age 54, and registration as ref 4679/1879
It includes 'Place of Birth" and lists that as Liverpool.
It has her parents as Maria (unknown maiden surname) and William EVERETT

Info on VIC BDMs is usually very detailed... See the following thread:
https://www.bdm.vic.gov.au/research-and-family-history/search-your-family-history

NB Liverpool may refer to Liverpool NSW or to the one in the UK.... 

JM   Oops, add the thread now : http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,373754.0.html

The Victorian system of registration is one of the best in the world, there is plenty of useful information on both the certificates and the indexes.

What you'll find on a Victorian certificate of birth, death or marriage:

Births 
 Date and place of birth;
 name of child and whether present or not;
 name of parents (including mother's maiden name);
 occupation of parents;
ages and birthplace of parents;
 date and place of marriage of parents;
 previous children of their marriage noting living or deceased;

 signature, description and address of the person who gave the information;
 names of witnesses;
 date and place of registation.
 
Deaths
 Date and place of death;
 name and surname;
 occupation of the deceased;
 sex and age;
 cause of death,
 duration of illness,
 medical attendant by whom certified and when he last saw deceased;
name and surname of parents (if known) including mother's maiden surname        signature, description and address of the person who gave the information;  signature of deputy registrar, date and where registered,
 when and where buried,
 undertaker whom certified;
 name and religion of Minister, or names of witnesses of burial;
 place of birth of the deceased and how long he or she resided in theAustralian           colonies or states (stating which),
 name of spouse,
 place of marriage,
 age at marriage;
 names and ages of children of the deceased.
 
Marriages
 Date and place of marriage;
 name and surnames;
 conjugal condition, whether bachelor or spinster, widow or widower,
 stating date of decease of former wife or husband;
 children by each former marriage;
 birthplace;
 occupation;
 age;
 residence (present and usual);
 parent's names of each party (including mother's maiden name) and occupation of    father;
 signatures of the parties and witnesses;
 signature of Minister. Prior to 1963 the date of termination of previous marriages of  the parties is also shown.



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Re: Tasmanian Ancestors- not having much luck!
« Reply #10 on: Thursday 11 June 20 03:18 BST (UK) »
Alright I'll have a look at that!

Thanks for your help JM!
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Re: Tasmanian Ancestors- not having much luck!
« Reply #12 on: Thursday 11 June 20 06:40 BST (UK) »
Hey JM,

Just ordered Maria's death cert, here is all the info I can gather from it.
Death Date: 22nd June 1879, corner of Rose and Napier Streets, Fitzroy
Name: Maria King
Age: 54
Father's name: William Everett, labourer
Mother's name: Maria (m surname unknown)
Informant: William King, son, Fitzroy
Where Born: Liverpool, England
How long in Australian colonies: Tasmania (5 years), Victoria (34 years)
Married: Hobart Town, Tasmania, James King (16 years)
Children: Louisa (34), William (32), Henry (30), Thomas (27), Annie Maria (24), George (18), Morton (14), Albert (10).

So she was born in Liverpool in 1823, came over to Tassie when she was a young girl.
Could she have come out under wives and children of convicts to Tassie?
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« Reply #13 on: Thursday 11 June 20 06:44 BST (UK) »
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« Reply #14 on: Thursday 11 June 20 06:52 BST (UK) »
From scouring the convict registers I found information for a William EVERETT, originally from Manchester (quite close to Liverpool) who came out on the Red Rover in 1830. He was 22 at this time, giving a birth date of 1808. This means he would have been 15 at time of Maria EVERETT's birth (maybe his age was played down).

Perhaps after (if) he got his ticket of leave, he sent for his wife and young daughter to come to Tassie?

All of this is speculation but it's the only thing I've managed to come up with!
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« Reply #15 on: Thursday 11 June 20 07:05 BST (UK) »
Among those who came to VDL and settled there  in the 1820s and 1830s were convicts. Not all convicts were male.  And once they had served their time or received their Certificate of freedom they were no longer convicts...

For example ...

 :)  there were soldiers with and without family members  ... garrison forces .... who chose to take up land and stay when their regiments tour of duty had finished and the regiment was next off the India...
 :) 'came free' settlers moved between the colonies too,  NSW to VDL ...
 :) government administrative staff and their household including domestic help ... school teachers, etc

So you could likely look for Arrivals on that Tasmaniian Names index, and also look back into Lancashire for possible marriage for her parents.... 

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« Reply #16 on: Thursday 11 June 20 07:10 BST (UK) »
Aghh.... she was 54 when she died.  She was 39 years in the colony. She was aged 16 when she married.  .... She may well have arrived unaccompanied, a single woman 

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« Reply #17 on: Thursday 11 June 20 07:26 BST (UK) »
I wonder what circumstances would lead a 15 year old girl to come out unaccompanied to VDL.

There are a few arrivals for a William EVERETT that I can see:
Name:Everett, William
Record Type:Arrivals
Arrival date:20 Oct 1831
Ship:Lotus
Record ID:NAME_INDEXES:440387
Resource:CUS30/1/1 P56

A death cert for one Wm Everett (d.1860 aged 55) but he was born in Norfolk.
A marriage for that same Wm Everett, widower, to Jane Holland, in 1844 aged 35. So previously married.

Nothing I can see that has a lead.. :(




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