Help finding bptsm/birth Marguerite Ellen Wall 1894 Gateshead

[violetqueen]

Sophia Wall b1869 is my great grandmother living Gateshead .
1901 census Sophia has a husband Wm Watson and a daughter Ellen Watson birth year 1895 .
There is record of Sophia's marriage to Wm Watson in 1899 .the 1901 census lists an Ellen Watson birth 1895.

I would like to find details of Ellen Watson as I assume Wm Watson was not her father .

I have a confirmation certificate 1913 at St Mary's in name of Nellie Watson and a National Identity Card 1915 for Marguerite E Watson .
A marriage certificate with Margaret Ellen Wall age 22 marrying James Harpin 1916 .Margaret has been ammended to Marguerite and initialled by registrar .The space for her father's details has a line through it .

 Marguerite Ellen's dob is given 03/05/94 ( passport ) or 15/05/94 (1939 reg.)

Marguerite Ellen Wall presumably brought up as a Watson .

But I can't find Marguerite Ellen Wall baptised or a birth registered .Or Nellie/Ellen/Margaret Ellen /Marguerite Watson.I have tried searching 1894 +/- 20 years to try to catch late registrations

The closest I can get is a birth certificate for Margaret Ellen Wall born in Darlington 14/12/1893 and registered in 1894 ,parents Ellen and John .
or
a baptism record for a Margarita Wall ,baptised 8 May 1895 in Gateshead ,born 1894 .Mother Sophiae Wall ,no details for father . No birth registered .

As said I have a confirmation certificate for Nellie Watson ,so presumably a baptismal record of the same should exist ?
I think the baptism records for St Mary's in Gateshead are on microfiche but not available on line and are not indexed for the years in question .

Jan-1889   Jun-1912   No   EP/Ga.SM 1/69   M42/280

Is it fairly common for a birth to remain unregistered ? Other than travelling to Durham Records Office how can I search their baptismal records ?

I'm sorry if this is too long a post ,I was trying to give all relevant details .

[jim1]

Hello & welcome
In 1894 it was an offence not to register a birth but it did happen.
Even if she did register the birth the father's name would still be left blank.
It looks like the 2nd. baptism is the correct one & is probably all you
will get unless the mother took out an illegitimacy order against the father.
Most of these no longer exist unfortunately, if anywhere they will be at the Durham RO.

[JenB]

a baptism record for a Margarita Wall ,baptised 8 May 1895 in Gateshead ,born 1894 .Mother Sophiae Wall ,no details for father . No birth registered .

As said I have a confirmation certificate for Nellie Watson ,so presumably a baptismal record of the same should exist ?
I think the baptism records for St Mary's in Gateshead are on microfiche but not available on line and are not indexed for the years in question .

The names have been 'Latinised' so this implies a baptism in a Roman Catholic Church.

This baptism was in fact at St Joseph's Roman Catholic Chuch Gateshead. https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NLDB-YYX

Unfortunately the images aren't viewable online.

The records are held at Tyne & Wear Archives
https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/c/F107054

[JenB]

But I can't find Marguerite Ellen Wall baptised or a birth registered .Or Nellie/Ellen/Margaret Ellen /Marguerite Watson.I have tried searching 1894 +/- 20 years to try to catch late registrations

Have you dismissed Margaret Ellen Walls, born 2nd q. 1894, Gateshead 10a, 905?

There is no mother's maiden given on the GRO index which would tie up with the fact that Margaret/Marguerite seems to have been born before her mother married.

[violetqueen]

Thank you Jim and Jen .

I wondered if the ae signified RC faith ,and St Josephs Church is RC .

I see the record on familysearch gives dob and the name of the Church .Would you know what source was used ?


Jen - just seen your post re Wall - ah ha ,will look at that .

[violetqueen]

sorry Walls

[violetqueen]

Jen ,that's really useful .I've ordered Margaret Ellen Walls birth certificate .Hopefully it will have the address where she was born and that might match with census /electoral roll returns for her mother's family .

[violetqueen]

Although looking at some census returns where ME Walls appears later I fear I may be dissapointed .

Never mind ,it's all the fun of the chase !

[JenB]

I see the record on familysearch gives dob and the name of the Church .Would you know what source was used ?

The film number on the record is 2046500 (this is found under 'Document Information' on the right of the page). Checking this on the Family Search catalogue gives the result that the film contains two sets of records - Saltwell Cemetery and St Joseph's Catholic Church Gateshead.
https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/results?count=20&query=%2Bfilm_number%3A2046500