The family of Mary Ann Little b c1829 in or near to Gretna Green Scotland.

[Forfarian]

ed which corroborates the info that we have pulled together from  various family members.
It would appear from the lack of either a Scottish or English marriage certificate that Mary Ann Little and Charles Perry did not marry.

Not necessarily. There could be all sorts of reasons why no record of the marriage has survived.

Likewise it would appear that the birth of their son Charles was not registered.

Both the marriage, if it took place, and the birth of Charles jr, took place before the start of registration in Scotland.

[10dorking]

Hi Monica
Sorry for the delay in replying but shopping got in the way!
I can see where you are coming from wrt the naming after her mother.
Does this also apply to her fathers name??
Beside Charles and Margaret Perry, Mary Ann Little also had the following children to Joseph Jones :-
Ellen, Mary Jane, Ann Maria, Joseph, Robert, William, John and Edith Mary.
If fathers naming is followed then Joseph is after her second husband meaning that Robert could be after her father?
Does that help or confuse?
dob for Mary Ann Little varies between 1825/6 (1841 c), 1828/9 (1851 &2 c) and 1829 from her death age.
So 1828/9 seems favourite.
Any joy with birth of her son in 1849ish or her marriage in 1846/8ish?
Regards
10 Dorking

[MonicaL]

Sadly, nothing obvious showing in the parish registers for births and marriage connected to Mary Ann 

Scottish naming pattern (the Irish also like to use it) can be useful. However, it wasn't used in every case or in the order prescribed! Lots of guides online on this, see here for example www.halmyre.abel.co.uk/Family/naming.htm

Monica

[10dorking]

Hi Monica,
Looks like this is the end of the road for this branch of my family tree.
Your time and trouble in following up possible leads is very much appreciated.
It is a bonus to have another pair of eyes overlooking my work which suffers as always with interruptions and false leads which in time become cast in stone if you're not carefull.
Who knows, something may turn up in time which suddenly unlocks this and other unknowns.
Take care and thanks once more.
Regards

10dorking.

[Crumblie]

If it was an irrelular marriage or a border marriage would there necessarily be a marriage record since at least in the case of irregular ones any citizen could witness a public promise?

[10dorking]

Hi Crumblie.
I'm not familiar with Scottish records so I didn't know that Irregular and Cross Border Marriages existed and had their own records.
Just had a quick look in findmypast records but nothing coming up.
Thanks for the input though.
Much appreciated.
Regards

10dorking.

[Crumblie]

Mary Ann Little married Charles Kerr on 12 Jun 1838 at Portpatrick. It says Charles was from Stranraer and Mary Ann was of that parish.

[10dorking]

This marriage of Mary Ann Little is not the marriage that I am trying to find as my Mary Ann was born c1829 and her husband was Charles Perry from Somerset, and their marriage was c1848 +/- 2 years.
Thanks for looking though, much appreciated.
Regards,

10dorking. look

[Forfarian]

There is this 1841 census entry:
William Little 53 agr lab.
Margaret Little 53
John Little 21
Mary Little 13 www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XYLC-CYL
Address: Headlep Cross Or Gretna Loaming, Gretna Dumfriesshire

FreeCEN has Headless Cross (much more credible) and Gretna Loaning (also more likely).

See https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=16&lat=55.00601&lon=-3.06053&layers=5&b=1 - may need to zoom in to see Headless Cross. It's only a few hundred yards from the railway line.

The 1851 has William Little, 64, born Gretna; Margaret Little, 64, born Annan; grandson Thomas Little, 7, born Gretna; granddaughter Elizabeth Little, under 1 year, born England.

I don't see them there in 1861 so probably either they died or they left Scotland.

I note with interest that a William Little, aged 70, mother's maiden name Richardson, died in Annan in 1857. Also that William Little, son of John Little and Margaret Richardson, was baptised in Graitney (the parish that includes Gretna) on 11 November 1787. If I were you I would want to look at that death certificate.