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Re: Sarah Timmin
« Reply #9 on: Saturday 13 June 20 01:45 BST (UK) »
The same named couple had a son Charles Timmons in 1876 - this time, the address is a match for the 1901 census return posted at reply #5 - Cullies:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1876/03067/2124441.pdf

Edited to add: Same address when Charles died in 1883:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1883/06373/4828943.pdf



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Re: Sarah Timmin
« Reply #10 on: Saturday 13 June 20 03:24 BST (UK) »

Marriage of Arthur Timmins and Elizabeth McCaffrey, Arthur's age is inconsistent, but I think it's the same person:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1862/09626/5491106.pdf


Just to say up front that the name Arthur Timmons (and surname spelling variants) is very rare - you can check so yourself in the likes of the 1901 and 1911 Ireland censuses. 

Arthur's address in the above 1862 marriage registration was Portlongfield townland in the civil parish of Killashandra, his father recorded as also being called Arthur.  The tithe applotment books show an Arthur Timmons in Portlongfield townland (1832):
http://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/reels/tab//004625671/004625671_00181.pdf

Griffith's Valuation has a print year of 1857 for the local area and while there are Timmins in Portlongfield, the only Arthur goes by the surname Timmin, living in the townland of Dunaweel, which is the immediate townland neighbour of Portlongfield.

One of the relatively few surviving Irish census fragments for 1841 shows a farmer called Arter Timmon living in the townland of Donawell (Dunaweel) in the parish of Killashandra, on the first page/side, it has a section for all people in the household who died since 1831, under which it shows a 70 year old brother John Timmon, who died of 'Decline' in 1839:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/c19/007246502/007246502_00195.pdf

On the second page/side, it shows everyone in the household on the night of 6 June 1841 - 60 year old Arter Timon and his wife Mary of the same age - who married in 1826 - 4 year old grandchild Patt Rielly, 28 year old daughter Jane Timon, 28 year old son Patt Timon, 17 year old son Arter Timon and 15 year old daughter Fannay Timon:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/c19/007246502/007246502_00196.pdf

The marriage year and older childrens' ages (if correct) would suggest that Mary wasn't Arter's first wife.


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Re: Sarah Timmin
« Reply #11 on: Saturday 13 June 20 07:36 BST (UK) »
Thomas Timmon's birth 1898 say's father in Stockport informant was Arthur Timmons, Cullies
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1898/02060/1787708.pdf

oops should be Thomas Murray

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Re: Sarah Timmin
« Reply #12 on: Saturday 13 June 20 08:51 BST (UK) »
That birth registration with references to Stockport and Arthur Timmons of Cullies is a great find. 

A possible sibling for Sarah Timmons b. 1870 and Charles Timmons b. 1876 lies in the following record from the Killeshandra RC parish registers, the baptism of Elizabeth Timon on 1 November 1868 for parents Arthur Timon and Elizabeth 'Caffrey' (10th entry down):
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000634867#page/4/mode/1up
 
Edited to add: And this one as well for a Bridget Timon baptised on 13 March 1873 for parents Arthur Timon and 'Bessy' McCaffrey of Drumkilroosk, a townland about 5 miles SW of Dunaweel and Portlongfield (5th entry down):
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000634867#page/45/mode/1up


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Re: Sarah Timmin
« Reply #13 on: Saturday 13 June 20 13:15 BST (UK) »
Thank you all for the help, I have a lot to go through and add.
It seems I made a lot of mistakes when I first started my tree and am having to go through everything and check it all.

In case anyone is interested heres the parents and siblings I had originally listed for Sarah Timmins
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Leitrim/Killygar/Cullen_and_Brownhill/647192/

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Re: Sarah Timmin
« Reply #14 on: Saturday 13 June 20 16:07 BST (UK) »
That couple were Thomas Timmon and Anne Cluard, their first 3 children after marriage in 1870 were Anna (1871), John (1873), and Jane (1875), but no sign of a Sarah.  No matter, they've been superseded by Arthur Timmons and Elizabeth McCaffrey.


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Re: Sarah Timmin
« Reply #15 on: Saturday 13 June 20 16:13 BST (UK) »
That couple were Thomas Timmon and Anne Cluard, their first 3 children after marriage in 1870 were Anna (1871), John (1873), and Jane (1875), but no sign of a Sarah. No matter, they've been superseded by Arthur Timmons and Elizabeth McCaffrey.

Annoyingly I did a lot of research for that family  ::) nevermind ive learned my leasson.

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Re: Sarah Timmin
« Reply #16 on: Saturday 13 June 20 16:23 BST (UK) »
Don't beat yourself up, we've all been there.  :)   Just to observe, that unless you've already bottomed out Patrick Murray's ancestry, it's important to see that Stockport marriage record (posted by CaroleW at reply #2), for as much as we struck lucky with the Timmons side (subject to confirmation of Sarah's father in that Stockport record), Patrick Murray may well be a different kettle of fish, for that forename/surname combination is thick on the ground in the area and timeline concerned and without knowing his father's details in that marriage record, it could be a needle in a haystack (and of course, no guarantee of success even knowing the father's details).       


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Re: Sarah Timmin
« Reply #17 on: Saturday 13 June 20 16:44 BST (UK) »
Don't beat yourself up.  :) Just to observe, that unless you've already bottomed out Patrick Murray's ancestry, it's important to see that Stockport marriage record, for as much as we struck lucky with the Timmons side (subject to confirmation of Sarah's father in that Stockport record), Patrick Murray may well be a different kettle of fish, for that forename/surname combination is thick on the ground in the area and timeline concerned and without knowing his father's details in that marriage record, it could be a needle in a haystack (and of course, no guarantee of success even knowing the father's details).     

Unfortunately I know  nothing about Patrick Murray, I have ordered the Stockport certificate, hopefully its the right one as the marriage is dated after they already had 2 kids.