What is the date of baptism? *COMPLETED*

[Westy11]

Elizabeth NEWINGTON daughter of Joseph NEWINGTON and Mary his wife was baptised at Ticehurst, Sussex "....xtr 27th - 1745"

What does this mean please?

Westy

[Girl Guide]

I think it may be a shortened version of October.  Is there anything else on the page that may support that?

X is the Roman numeral for ten and October is the tenth month in a year.

[horselydown86]

I think what is written is:  Debr  plus a contraction mark overhead

Therefore, obviously, December.

It will do no harm to see more of the page.

[Westy11]

Attached is a clipping immediately above Elizabeth's baptism

I totally missed the use of x as 10.   

Westy

[horselydown86]

Attached is a clipping immediately above Elizabeth's baptism

I totally missed the use of x as 10.   

Westy, I don't understand what you mean by this.

Cowper is 27th October 1745

Barton is the 15th day of a month (* see below).

Newington is 27th of a month.  (Which month is in question: I have suggested it is December.)


* The month for Barton also isn't clear.

I think it is written 9^br.  I don't think this is an x.

If it is 9^br, does that mean September as the contemporary ninth month or is it the ninth month (in Latin etymology), which is November.

To help understand this properly, please post the next three entries after Newington.

[Westy11]

Hello Horselydown,

I posted the second clipping taken from immediately above the NEWINGTON baptism as you had noted "It will do no harm to see more of the page.".

The attached clipping is immediately after the NEWINGTON baptism.  Unfortunately the page is not terribly clear.

Westy

[horselydown86]

Hello Horselydown,

I posted the second clipping taken from immediately above the NEWINGTON baptism as you had noted "It will do no harm to see more of the page.".

Thanks for posting both supplementary extracts, Westy.  It was the comment re the x which had me puzzled.

The new extract is plenty clear enough.  We have January 18th - February 2d - March 28th and March 31.

So I will stick to my contention that Newington is December 27th.

ADDED:

...and that Barton is November 15th, should you be interested in Barton.

[Westy11]

Thanks so much for clearing this up for me.

My comment re "..I totally missed the use of x as 10" was in response to Girl Guide's post in which was noted "X is the Roman numeral for ten and October is the tenth month in a year". 

The month was originally transcribed as December however I saw the original  as xtr being x for 10th month and then the last two letters.  I had not seen anything like it and so wanted to be sure so posted.

Once again many thanks.

Westy

[arthurk]

I agree that it's December 27th - though there are two ways of reaching that conclusion.

Before reading any of the replies I read the term as Xb[e]r, with X being the Roman numeral 10 (decem in Latin). In 1745 the tenth month was December, and the use of 9br in the entry above indicates that the clerk was happy to use these numerical abbreviations. (I know one is Roman and the other Arabic, but in each case he has chosen the version that uses a single symbol - quite apt for an abbreviation.)

It might be possible to read the term as De[cem]b[e]r, but the 'D' here is smaller and simpler than the one in Daughter. So I for one would stick with the Xb[e]r reading, though the other one doesn't change the meaning.