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Right or Wrong Death Certiifcate
« on: Tuesday 16 June 20 11:45 BST (UK) »
Hi all, I have a relative, Thomas Logan born in Ireland between 1811-1822 (it differs between the 1851 & 1861 Census) and is listed in the census and his daughters wedding certificate as a Tailor. I took a chance and ordered the only death certificate I could find which I thought may fit the bill as he lived in Manchester.

It doesnt fit exactly as he is listed as a Beer Retailer in the death certificate which lists him as aged 51 at his death on 22nd March 1870. The Thomas Logan in this certificate committed suicide and was living at 36 Backturner street, Shudehill.

I wondered if any article may exist in the paper which proves or disproves this connection to me. My Thomas was married to Julia (or Judith).

Many thanks, Luke

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Re: Right or Wrong Death Certiifcate
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 16 June 20 11:50 BST (UK) »
Not much help  :(

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Re: Right or Wrong Death Certiifcate
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 16 June 20 12:03 BST (UK) »
Hi, I have a similar problem with an ancestor of my husband called James Connor, he is with his wife and daughter in 1851 and is listed in the 1855 Manchester directory as a cabinet maker in the same street as he was living in 1851.  Then he just disappears.

No trace of the family in 1861, although there is a child of the correct age, initials only given, living at a Catholic Convent near to where the family were living in 1851.  She married in 1867 aged 15, even though she said she was 18!  His wife gave birth to an illegitimate child in 1862 and thanks to a Rootschatter, she was shown as paying rent at the address she was living at the time in from 1864-1868.  She died in 1868. 

There are so many James Connors in the Manchester area who died from 1855 onwards, but I can't get all the death certificates.  The other thing is that his younger brother also disappeared around the same time, so I wonder if they both went back to Dublin where they were born. Their own father re-married in 1857 in Liverpool with all the Rites and Ceremonies of the Catholic Church, so you would assume his first wife had died.  However, I wonder, as I can't find a death for her, if she and her 2 sons just up and left for Ireland.

I wonder if this was a common thing that Irish people didn't find England (Manchester and Liverpool) as good as they expected and just went back home?  Could be what happened to your Thomas Logan.

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Re: Right or Wrong Death Certiifcate
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 16 June 20 14:16 BST (UK) »
1861 has a Thomas Logan age 42 Beer House Keeper with wife Jane at Mill Street, Manchester
RG09/2934 f51 p23
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Re: Right or Wrong Death Certiifcate
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 16 June 20 14:21 BST (UK) »
Do you have his the wife and children of your Thomas Logan in 1871
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Re: Right or Wrong Death Certiifcate
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 16 June 20 15:03 BST (UK) »
I am struggling to find Thomas in 1851.

Which daughter married and when please

I assume this is 1861

Thomas Logan   50
Julia Logan   44
Edward Logan   17
Onora Logan   12
Margaret Logan   7
Ellen Logan   11 (mistranscribed - should be age 4)
Ann Logan   2

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Re: Right or Wrong Death Certiifcate
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 16 June 20 15:32 BST (UK) »
There is this one in 1851 where Thomas was born 1822 but it seems to be a different family to the 1861 I posted. In both Thomas was a tailor


Name   Age
Thomas Logan   29
Judith Logan   28
Patsy Logan   10 (male)
Edward Logan   4
Ann Logan   1
Robert Oledeah   66
Mary Reed   59

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Re: Right or Wrong Death Certiifcate
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 16 June 20 15:52 BST (UK) »
I know they are tenuosly linked but those are the 2 census I have. I also had a wedding certificate for Thomas' daughter Ellen Logan born 1855 and married Thomas Entwistle in 1876 in Bury (father Thomas Logan, Tailor).

Maybe Julia and Thomas did just move home, I cannot find a death for Julia Logan either.

Thanks, Luke

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Re: Right or Wrong Death Certiifcate
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 16 June 20 16:02 BST (UK) »
Julia Logan, 60, widow, born Ireland, a boarder in Manchester in 1871
piece 4042 folio 110 page 35
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KD6B-113

Boarding with William and Anne Cooke. But could Anne be her daughter? :-\
Though this marriage is over a year later, 17 Nov 1872, at Manchester Cathedral
William Cooke
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Annie Logan, 23, father Thomas Logan, Tailor
Residence for both 3 Bank Street
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9Q97-YSNB-633?i=82&cat=40069