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Re: Frederick Dickens/Dickins family confusion
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 17 June 20 21:26 BST (UK) »
DICKINS, CATHARINE       mmn SANDERS 
1838  Dec Quarter in AYLESBURY  Volume 06  Page 293

Death in Q1 1842 is of a 3 year old - seems to match

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Re: Frederick Dickens/Dickins family confusion
« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 17 June 20 21:30 BST (UK) »
And Harriet who died 1848 was 16

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Re: Frederick Dickens/Dickins family confusion
« Reply #11 on: Wednesday 17 June 20 22:35 BST (UK) »
Thank you so much for the information on Catharine and Harriett Dickins, Mabel.

How did you find out how old they were when they died without having to buy a certificate from GRO? I've been doing lots of guessing and buying of certificates and getting lucky so far that I've found the right person.

Thanks so much again
Louise

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Re: Frederick Dickens/Dickins family confusion
« Reply #12 on: Thursday 18 June 20 07:45 BST (UK) »
The GRO's own online index now shows ages for deaths

https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/login.asp

You have to register, but it's free


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Re: Frederick Dickens/Dickins family confusion
« Reply #13 on: Thursday 18 June 20 08:10 BST (UK) »
DICKINS, CATHARINE       mmn SANDERS 
1838  Dec Quarter in AYLESBURY  Volume 06  Page 293

Yes, it is Mothers maiden surname.  You can get a PDF copy for £7 from the GRO link that Mabel has just given which is also where I found this record
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Re: Frederick Dickens/Dickins family confusion
« Reply #14 on: Thursday 18 June 20 09:05 BST (UK) »


Census 1881 56 Quilter St Bethnal Green
DICKENS George       head    widr     55y   warehouseman b. Sw***   Buckinghamshire 
DICKENS Elizabeth    mother wid.     84y                            b. Wesfeet Buckinghamshire
DICKENS Joseph *    son                 22y   clerk                  b. Shreditch Middlesex
DICKENS Frederick   son                  19y   furniture carver  b. City Middlesex
DICKENS Emma        niece              18y   furniture makers assis.   b. Orpington Kent

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Re: Frederick Dickens/Dickins family confusion
« Reply #15 on: Thursday 18 June 20 14:01 BST (UK) »
The GRO's own online index now shows ages for deaths

https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/login.asp

You have to register, but it's free

Thank you so much. That is so useful to know.

Thank you so much everyone for helping me so much
Best wishes Louise

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Re: Frederick Dickens/Dickins family confusion
« Reply #16 on: Thursday 18 June 20 21:34 BST (UK) »
Baptisms for Quainton are on findmypast but there are no Dickens entries at all.

I would suggest that their children were baptised in a non-conformist church whose records are not available online.

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Re: Frederick Dickens/Dickins family confusion
« Reply #17 on: Friday 19 June 20 10:59 BST (UK) »
[quote author=louisemcm link=topic=832934.msg6975624#msg6975624 date=15 I don't understand why his siblings wouldn't be listed with him in the 1851 census.
I'd really appreciate any help or guidance.
Best wishes
Louise



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I cannot find baptisms for Frederick or his siblings but I have attempted to find them in later census - I think my findings show that Fredericks brother George lived in Middlesex and mother Elizabeth spent her widowed years with him
I'll post the census -you may already have found some of them - and I may be repeating some
1841 census shows in Quainton Joseph 45 Elizabeth 40 George 16 Eliza 13 Esther 10 Harriett 9 Frederick 5 Catherine 2
We have found that Harriet died age 16 and Catherine died age 3
I have found further details of George and I think it is the correct George as the census tie him in with mother Elizabeth and Frederick
1851
28 Appleby St Shoreditch
George Dickens unmarried 25 Quainton Bucks is in the household of William Nickells 33 Grocers Assistant  b Hungerfors Berks and his wife Hannah and 3 children
HO107 1537 242 29

1861 I have not found George on the census and I believe he was married by 1861 and had 2 sons by then Stephen Shirley and Joseph George
Birth reg FreeBMD
Stephen Shirley Dickins Mar qtr 1857 Shoreditch nomothers maiden name found (Stephen married 1880
Joseph George Dickins Mar qtr 1859 Shoreditch mother's maiden name Cock (Joseph George died 1919)
George Dickins married Ann Cock 1855 ? London
I cannot find baptism records for George's children
there was another son Frederickb c. 1862 City of London

by 1871 George was a widower
120 Quilter Street Bethnal Green
George Dickens Head W 45 Warehouseman Quainton Bucks
S S son 14 Shoreditch
J G son 12 Shoreditch
F son 9 City london
Elizabeth Dickens Mother Widow 75 Bucks
RG10 478 9 12

1881
56 Quilter St Bethnal Green
George Dickens Head W 55 Warehouseman Quainton Bucks
Elizabeth Dickens Mother W 84 Westcott Bucks
Joseph G son U 22 Clerk Shoreditch
Frederick son U 19 Furniture caner City Middlesex
Emma Dickens neice 18 assistant cabinet maker Orpington Kent
RG11 413 22 38
Emma was the daughter of (your) Frederick- brother of George
This census ties the family together more
RG11 413 22 38

1891 33 Halliford St Islington
George Dickens Head M(orW?) 65 Grocer's Porter Quainton Bucks
RG12 165 5 5

so I am assuming mother Elizabeth died between 1881-91 in Middlesex
Joseph George Dickens married 5 Feb 1884 in Islington

Any additions corrections very welcome

As no baptism records can be found for George or any of his siblings and none found for George's children - I can only think they were possibly non conformist

I'll try to find siblings Esther and Eliza later unless they have already been found

Suz
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