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Re: How to find Lists of recipients of medals in Germany in the First World War
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 24 June 20 06:48 BST (UK) »
Hi Richard
i have the docs Justin mentioned.

https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=1631&h=4504772&tid=&pid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=ATb2&_phstart=successSource

pages 109, 110, 111, 112

just had a quick glance.

Deputy Field Hospital Inspector of Field Hospital No. 3, son of Emil and Rosa (mn Guckenheimer

born 3.7.1889 in Nürnberg

Profession, Kaufmann: Merchant, businessman, tradesman, shopkeeper etc etc

I´ll have a look at the rest later

Justin:
are you refering to the righthand document on page 109 regarding the medals?
that is a different person

get back to you later
Dave

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Re: How to find Lists of recipients of medals in Germany in the First World War
« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 24 June 20 07:07 BST (UK) »
Good morning Richard and Dave,

His medals can be read on page 113.

His third medal was the Dienstauszeichnung III. Klasse (= Service Award 3rd class) which was awarded on 8th May 1918. This medal was awarded to servicemen of the Bavarian Army who had completed 9 years' of service.

Sigmund's service was calculated from when he volunteered on 1st October 1908 and was assigned to the 8th Field Artillery Regiment.

I also see now the reference to Field Hospital No. 3, although the muster roll is for FH No. 21.

Added: See pp 13 and 109 for an explanation. The unit was initially called the Field Hospital 3 of the IIIrd Bavarian Army Corps. It was renamed FH No. 21

A long strip of paper listing out all the engagements at which Sigmund's unit was present has been glued to the record. There are a lot of familiar battle sites along the Western Front. We need to get this list to you.

Justin

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Re: How to find Lists of recipients of medals in Germany in the First World War
« Reply #11 on: Wednesday 24 June 20 16:42 BST (UK) »
Hello Justin, Thank you!This is a real surprise, because we never knew that my Grandfather was a professional soldier. I have not signed up to Ancestry.Com.. I have been using Geni.com, and I keep getting prompts to sign up to My Heritage.com... Which of these do you think would be best, or should I go for all of them.? I havent yet seen any particular benefit to the Geni Pro, but I will follow your advice. I certainly wiould like to see the documents you mention, so I suppose Ancestry is next up for me to pay...
Its all fascinating, and I have yet to start on my Father's side, which is going to be hard as so many of his family were murdered in the Holocaust, but I feel I owe it to them, and indeed my Mother's family, to clarify the history... What next?
Many thanks again, All the best.....Richard Towse

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Re: How to find Lists of recipients of medals in Germany in the First World War
« Reply #12 on: Wednesday 24 June 20 18:37 BST (UK) »
Hello Richard,

Your grandfather wasn't a full-time professional soldier; he merely pre-empted the call-up for national service which he would normally have started in October 1910. I can't remember whether there were benefits to volunteering early.

Ancestry is of limited use for researching German ancestry. They have some excellent collections for Hamburg, Berlin, Hessen and the Bavarian Miliatry records, but unless your ancestors came from those places you won't find much in the way of primary records.

Geni and MyHeritage are only platforms for people to publish partial family trees. They may help to suggest research paths, but they were not intended to be a substitute for normal genealogical research via primary records.

My own patrilineal ancestry, which I have been researching for about 18 years, was also German Jewish. Although the family has roots in Bavaria (Lower Franconia), they moved to northern Germany and my great-grandfather came to the UK in the early 1870s. However, he had many relatives who stayed in Hamburg, so my British paternal grandfather (a Catholic!!) fought against German Jewish cousins in WWI and, of course, lost relatives during the Holocaust. One such cousin was also awarded the Iron Cross, taken prisoner by the French in 1916 and subsequently deported to Riga in 1942 where he and his wife perished.

The first thing you must do, if you haven't already, is join JewishGen. There you might even make contact with other Oppenheimer descendants.

Going further back, you will need to obtain the usual birth and marriage (and maybe death) certificates from the responsible registry office (Standesamt) - but only as far back as 1874, registration records from your ancestor's towns of residence from the appropriate Bavarian archives, etc., etc. There are probably a lot of records available, but not at the press of button.

There are other records relating specifically to Jews that I can point you towards when you get into things.

I'd be interest to hear about your father's side. You can always send me a PM.

Justin



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Re: How to find Lists of recipients of medals in Germany in the First World War
« Reply #13 on: Wednesday 24 June 20 19:38 BST (UK) »
Hi Richard
Sent you a PM