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Chevronnel Query
« on: Saturday 20 June 20 14:10 BST (UK) »
Please could someone tell me what the attached chevronnel-style symbol means? It appears to have a handle or grip  on one tip.
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Re: Chevronnel Query
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 20 June 20 14:23 BST (UK) »
Looks like a carpenter's square?
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Re: Chevronnel Query
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 20 June 20 14:47 BST (UK) »
I suggested - as there seemed to be a link to stone masonry that it might be a square for checking right angles both inner and outer.
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Hope someone can say exactly what it is.
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Re: Chevronnel Query
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 20 June 20 15:00 BST (UK) »
Thanks both,
It was on a stone circa 1550, so wondered if it was too early to be a Freemason's symbol? It certainly looks like a square, so possibly is!
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Re: Chevronnel Query
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 20 June 20 15:26 BST (UK) »
I found this suare in a Medieval Woodworking book. Very similar, but would like to know if others think this is correct, plus if there are other examples of it in heraldry.
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Re: Chevronnel Query
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 20 June 20 16:01 BST (UK) »
The thing to remember that before a certain date, all tools were hand made. So that there would be variations in design and quality. I think we can say, with certainty, that your drawing is of a square.   

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Re: Chevronnel Query
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 20 June 20 16:06 BST (UK) »
And strictly speaking, it is not a chevronnel. A chevron should be between 1/3 to 1/5 the width of the height of the shield, depending on the charges on the field and on itself. A chevronnel should be half that But without the shield as a guide it is all speculation. 

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Re: Chevronnel Query
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 20 June 20 16:39 BST (UK) »
One end being at 45 degrees is another check too ,the curved end could be a
profile for the edge of stones ,where a right angled edge is not wanted.Round doorways etc.
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Re: Chevronnel Query
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 20 June 20 16:40 BST (UK) »
Examples would be:

Worshipful Company of Carpenters
Sydall, Bishop of St Davids; and Gloucester
Bevill
Mason
Atlowe

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