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Frederick John Sturman (born 1848)
« on: Saturday 27 June 20 23:08 BST (UK) »
I need help tracing Frederick John Sturman in the 1881 and 1891 censuses.

He was born in 1848 in Seething, parents John and Harriet, as stated in the 1851, 1861 and 1871 censuses, and later lived in Bergh Apton with his wife Laura Sturman nee Woodrow, born 1883, as per 1901 and 1911 censuses. He died in 1929.

Also, in the 1911 census, there is a Grace (Hilda) Sturman, born 1911, Bergh Apton, who is listed as Frederick's granddaughter. Her birth index reveals no maiden name for mother, so presume she was illegitimate. I have no idea who her mother is as I thought his first child was born in 1904.

I thought his marriage to Laura was his first marriage. Was he married before Laura?
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Re: Frederick John Sturman (born 1848)
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 27 June 20 23:24 BST (UK) »
Grace may have died soon afterwards: Grace Hilda Sturman aged 0, Sep qtr 1911 Wangford.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Frederick John Sturman (born 1848)
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 27 June 20 23:35 BST (UK) »
Florence Kate Sturman may be worth looking into - born Bergh Apton 1888 (mmn Wade) and married in Wangford district in Sep qtr 1911.

Her mother was Martha per 1891 census: RG12/1541/104/7. Married, but husband not there.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)


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Re: Frederick John Sturman (born 1848)
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 27 June 20 23:41 BST (UK) »
Florence Sturman born Oct 1888 was admitted to a board school in Beccles in 1895 - father Frederick.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Frederick John Sturman (born 1848)
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 28 June 20 01:10 BST (UK) »
A tree online at Ancestry has Frederick placed in the 1881 census.

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At Bergh Apton, Norfolk, England
Frederick STURMAN
Address 45 Langley Rd. Aged 33   
Farm Labourer.   With  Martha WADE ( a domestic servant ) and a child  named Albert WADE aged 7, a scholar.

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Re: Frederick John Sturman (born 1848)
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 28 June 20 02:42 BST (UK) »
A tree online at Ancestry has Frederick placed in the 1881 census.

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At Bergh Apton, Norfolk, England
Frederick STURMAN
Address 45 Langley Rd. Aged 33   
Farm Labourer.   With  Martha WADE ( a domestic servant ) and a child  named Albert WADE aged 7, a scholar.

Sue

1881: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q278-CH3C

Sep 1888 Loddon 4b 343
STURMAN Frederick
FRANCIS Martha

Jun 1904 Loddon 4b 428
STURMAN Frederick John
WOODROW Laura Louisa

Martha, 1891: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:4WFQ-56Z

Death:

STURMAN, MARTHA  46 
GRO Reference: 1895  D Quarter in LODDON  Volume 04B  Page 147


Birth:

STURMAN, FLORENCE  KATE mmn WADE 
GRO Reference: 1888  D Quarter in LODDON  Volume 04B  Page 215

Martha 1871: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VFNP-PZF

The first marriage for Martha?:

Jun 1875 Yarmouth 4b 34
FRANCIS Benjamin
WADE Martha

Death:

FRANCIS, BENJAMIN  37 
GRO Reference: 1881  M Quarter in YARMOUTH NORFOLK  Volume 04B  Page 12

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Re: Frederick John Sturman (born 1848)
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 28 June 20 04:05 BST (UK) »
Florence Kate Sturman may be worth looking into - born Bergh Apton 1888 (mmn Wade) and married in Wangford district in Sep qtr 1911.

Her mother was Martha per 1891 census: RG12/1541/104/7. Husband not there.

Marriage:

Sep 1911 Wangford 4a 2346
WALLER Horace P
STURMAN Florence K

Possible deaths:

WALLER, HORACE  PERCY  67 
GRO Reference: 1949  J Quarter in LOTHINGLAND  Volume 04B  Page 791
Probate: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:W7D3-FZ2M

Dec 1958 Norwich 4b 590
WALLER Florence K 70

Children:

WALLER, PERCY  HORACE mmn STURMAN 
GRO Reference: 1912  M Quarter in WANGFORD  Volume 04A  Page 2142
Death:
WALLER, PERCY  HORACE     27 
GRO Reference: 1939  M Quarter in ACLE  Volume 04B  Page 51

WALLER, RITA  GRACE mmn STURMAN 
GRO Reference: 1913  S Quarter in WANGFORD  Volume 04A  Page 2173

WALLER, DONALD  JOHN BRUNO mmn SHERMAN (sic)
GRO Reference: 1915  M Quarter in WANGFORD  Volume 04A  Page 2077
Death:
Dec 1981 Waveney 10 3068
WALLER DONALD JOHN B 21 NOV 1914

WALLER, DOROTHY  KATHLEEN mmn STURMAN 
GRO Reference: 1917  M Quarter in WANGFORD  Volume 04A  Page 1782
Jun 1945  Wainford 4a 2483
HARPER Howard E
WALLER Dorothy K
Online tree has her going to Alameda California USA

WALLER, Robert D mmn STURMAN
1921 M Quarter in WANGFORD  Volume: 04A Affiliate Line Number: 5

WALLER Alan J mmn STURMAN
1923 M Quarter in WANGFORD  Volume: 04A Affiliate Line Number: 29
Married:
Mar 1955 Lothingland 4b 228
WALLER Alan J
LAST Olive M A
Possible death and death:
WALLER, ALAN  JERRY 1922 - DOB 5 Dec 1922
GRO Reference:  DOR  Q2/1997 in Norwich  (6391C)  Reg C20B  Entry Number 10
WALLER, OLIVE  MARY A 1929 
GRO Reference:  DOR  Q1/2015 in Suffolk  (748-1H)  Entry Number 511510058

WALLER Constance E mmn STURMAN
1925 J Quarter in WANGFORD  Volume: 04A Affiliate Line Number: 76
Possible marriage:
Sep 1945 Wainford 4a 4095
AGER ?
WALLER Constance E
Possible death:
AGER, CONSTANCE  EMMA  1925 
GRO Reference:  DOR  Q3/2015 in Suffolk  (748-1D)  Entry Number 512306431

WALLER Violet B mmn STURMAN
1927 S Quarter in WANGFORD  Volume: 04A Affiliate Line Number: 50

WALLER Helen S - female - mmn STURMAN
1930 D Quarter in WANGFORD  Volume: 04A Affiliate Line Number: 77
Married:
Jun 1953 Lothingland 4b 1875
TURNER Peter A R
WALLER Helen S
Possible deaths:
TURNER, HELEN  SOPHIE  1930 
GRO Reference:  DOR  Q3/2004 in Norwich  (6391B)  Reg B35B  Entry Number 196
TURNER, PETER  ALBERT R  1930 
GRO Reference:  DOR  Q1/2015 in Devon  (423-1H)  Entry Number 511482892

“Also, in the 1911 census, there is a Grace (Hilda) Sturman, born 1911, Bergh Apton, who is listed as Frederick's granddaughter.”

I’d say Grace was the daughter of Florence.

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Re: Frederick John Sturman (born 1848)
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 28 June 20 10:54 BST (UK) »
Thank you all for the replies, I will look into Frederick's first marriage
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